BaL 13.04.24 - Brahms: Symphony 3

[Barbirollians]

What's missing from the Chausson ? My CD of the BBC Legends performance seems to be 28 minutes long like the You Tube performance ?

[Alison]

The LPO has fine versions from Jochum, Sawallisch, Alsop, Jurowski and Tennstedt.

[Barbirollians]

The LPO has fine versions from Jochum, Sawallisch, Alsop, Jurowski and Tennstedt.

I think Haitink's early 1970s set is much underrated.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

With reference to HIPP, the Gardiner is, I think, the only one to use natural horns. The parts are written as though for natural horns, even though valve horns like the current VPO ones were in use at the time.

[Pulcinella]

What's missing from the Chausson ? My CD of the BBC Legends performance seems to be 28 minutes long like the You Tube performance ?

Different releases?

This (with the Brahms) has only part of the Chausson:

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8037293--evgeny-svetlanov-conducts-debussy-brahms

whereas this is complete:

https://www.discogs.com/release/15276912-Debussy-Chausson-Ravel-Dame-Janet-Baker-Dame-Margaret-Price-Evgeny-Svetlanov-Sir-Malcolm-Sargent-La-

[Barbirollians]

I was at that concert – an amazing programme (Brahms, Chausson, Debussy). It's a shame the BBC Legends release didn't include the whole of Dame Janet's Chausson!

There is a BBC Legends with Baker also singing Nuits d’Ete with Giulini and the Song of the Woodbird which includes a complete performance of the Chausson .

[Pulcinella]

There is a BBC Legends with Baker also singing Nuits d’Ete with Giulini and the Song of the Woodbird which includes a complete performance of the Chausson .

Indeed there is (a review says that the Chausson is a reissue):

https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005Q5LM/musicwebuk

[Barbirollians]

Bargain prices there ! Well worth snapping up the Nuits D Ete is gorgeous too.

[pastoralguy]

Yikes! I recently took delivery of a BRILLIANT Classics set of the Brahms Symphonies conducted by Jaap van Zweden with the Netherlands Philharmonic Orchestra and the Radio Philharmonic Orchestra, Holland.

I’ve only heard the Third Symphony so far but, imho it’s terrific! (Netherlands Orchestra). Lots of contra faggot!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Please can we keep on topic.

[richardfinegold]

Yikes! I recently took delivery of a BRILLIANT Classics set of the Brahms Symphonies conducted by Jaap van Zweden with the Netherlands Philharmonic Orchestra and the Radio Philharmonic Orchestra, Holland.

I’ve only heard the Third Symphony so far but, imho it’s terrific! (Netherlands Orchestra). Lots of contra faggot!

I had that set. It was before I had ever heard of the conductor. It’s gone missing but it was definitely competitive

[oliver sudden]

I think there are certain works where I would expect the exposition repeat - most of the Beethoven symphonies example. The exposition of Brahms 3 isn’t that long really - about 3’ 30 “in Abbado .Brahms’ modulatory passage (A minor back to F ) couldn’t be more perfunctory- a mere two bars.
A lot of conductors don’t do the exposition repeat in Brahms 2 - a pity as Brahms actually writes a few more bars for that. I like to hear the repeat in the 3rd mainly because JB spends time in the development working through his material in that way he has so that it’s quite nice to have it fixed in your mind. I’m not even sure that he hasn’t started manipulating the material in the exposition - which is thematically so dense .I can think or worse ways of spending 3 mins 30 on this planet.
That Abbado recording is excellent.

There is an extra bit of music for the first-time bar in Brahms 3 as well, and for me that makes the repeat pretty nearly essential. The corresponding passage in the recap builds on that first-time bar to lead into the coda, and that turning-point doesn’t make much sense if the first-time bar hasn’t been heard.

I don’t really buy the literary analogy as a reason for not doing exposition repeats. Besides anything else, most symphonies or sonatas will in any case have a more or less literal, non-optional, repeat of some of their material at some point in the structure, since that’s basically how sonata form works. Whereas if you were reading a book and came upon a passage you’d read before, you’d think something had gone wrong at the printers.

To me the important thing is the balance of the amount of time the music spends on being expository and the amount of time it spends being developmental, since those things _feel_ completely different and that deeply affects how I experience the form. I honestly don’t know a piece of music where I don’t want to hear the repeats, at least given that it’s a piece I would bother listening to in the first place!

[Barbirollians]

Listened to Abbado today. It’s a splendidly judged performance teeming with inner life . Is it as exciting as Columbia SO /Walter ? - erm no

[Pulcinella]

Please can we keep on topic.

Apologies: I should have sent Nigel a PM with a link to the complete Chausson he was interested in.
(Tarnished halo emoticon!)

[makropulos]

Apologies: I should have sent Nigel a PM with a link to the complete Chausson he was interested in.
(Tarnished halo emoticon!)

Thanks so much - I didn’t know it had appeared on Radio Classics. Must find a copy.