BaL 13.06.15 - Monteverdi: Il Ritorno d'Ulisse

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I must have been listening to a different programme.

Just a difference in perception?

[Nick Armstrong]

In her defence, not that she needs it from me, her pronunciation stems from a deep knowledge of the languages concerned, rather than pronunciation written out phonetically on her script (no names no pack drill). This is the scholar who once apparently considered becoming a nun (so Andrew once told us) as being the only way to gain access to manuscripts barred to female lay scholars in Spanish monasteries......

OK faced with this submission from Richard Tarleton QC and the dire judgment of Vinteuil LJ, I retract, I retract !!!


To restore a little context to the learned Lord Justice's somewhat selective citations, however, I did also say

I enjoyed listening to this BAL ...Tess K's demanding approach appealed to me

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

This is the scholar who once apparently considered becoming a nun (so Andrew once told us) as being the only way to gain access to manuscripts barred to female lay scholars in Spanish monasteries......

Oh, we've all tried that one!

[Nick Armstrong]

Oh, we've all tried that one!

And you almost got away with it, I hear....!

[Richard Tarleton]

So Tess K's demanding approach appealed to me

She's one of my two or three favourite BAL presenters - I like her technical approach, cf David Owen Norris. Her knowledge of the subject matter enables her analyses to achieve a depth available to few others.

PS

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

OK faced with this submission from Richard Tarleton QC and the dire judgment of Vinteuil LJ, I retract, I retract !!!
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I don't. I'm all for Radio 3 being demanding - there's precious little of that. However, when the demands become dogma, then it's time to reconsider.

[vinteuil]

I don't. I'm all for Radio 3 being demanding - there's precious little of that. However, when the demands become dogma, then it's time to reconsider.

... but I did not detect "dogma". When Dr Knighton deplored earlier interpreters' cutting / changing scenes, as if they lacked confidence in Monteverdi's knowing what he intended, she said "they wouldn't dare do that with Wagner!" - and I agree. I can't see why we should accept - with the knowledge we now have, thanks to the work of scholars such as Dr Knighton - as a potential 'Building a Library' choice any interpretation which misses out or mis-places significant scenes. Would you disagree?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

And you almost got away with it, I hear....!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

... but I did not detect "dogma". When Dr Knighton deplored earlier interpreters' cutting / changing scenes, as if they lacked confidence in Monteverdi's knowing what he intended, she said "they wouldn't dare do that with Wagner!" - and I agree. I can't see why we should accept - with the knowledge we now have, thanks to the work of scholars such as Dr Knighton - as a potential 'Building a Library' choice any interpretation which misses out or mis-places significant scenes. Would you disagree?

Yes and no. I don't like cuts at all, but Bohm made them in his highly regarded 1966 Ring.

The reviewer of The Tales of Hoffman took a tolerant view of switching the acts. Ditto Mahler 6.

Personally I respect choices made by the likes of Harnoncourt and Leppard, even when I don't necessarily agree with them.

[Flosshilde]

And you almost got away with it, I hear....!

I think ferney was probably a bit too low key. Perhaps he should have tried this

[Flosshilde]

Yes and no. I don't like cuts at all, but Bohm made them in his highly regarded 1966 Ring.

The reviewer of The Tales of Hoffman took a tolerant view of switching the acts. Ditto Mahler 6.

Well, maybe, but the acts of Hoffmann are seperate stories, so changing the order doesn't have any effect on the drama. As for Mahler 6, didn't the composer have some difficulty in deciding which order the central movements should be in?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I think ferney was probably a bit too low key. Perhaps he should have tried this

What makes you think I haven't?

[ostuni]

Yes and no. I don't like cuts at all, but Bohm made them in his highly regarded 1966 Ring.

Really? Where?

[Nick Armstrong]

What makes you think I haven't?

Because I suspect you'd have had summary 'Dialogue des Carmélites'-style justice if you had!!!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Really? Where?

Actually I should have said 1965. Gotterdammerung Act 3, from the end of Siegfried's Funeral March to the entry of Hagen - apparently Wieland Wagner's idea.