Bal 16.09.23 - Mozart: Symphony no 35 in D (K385) "Haffner"

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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    #31
    Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
    Which Abbado?
    Claudio.

    Otherwise, the Orchestra Mozart recording.

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    • Retune
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      • Feb 2022
      • 331

      #32
      A good final selection, I thought, and a worthy 'winner'. Harnoncourt also worked for me here, for very different reasons. Nice to hear Böhm/BPO still making the cut - I should dig out that cassette!

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      • Lordgeous
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        • Dec 2012
        • 837

        #33
        Originally posted by gradus View Post
        I enjoy every performance of this wonderful work but Beecham introduced me to it and his performance with the RPO remains my favourite, beautifully shaped phrasing, fine playing and plenty of energy when needed.
        Seconded! But not even a mention of Sir Thomas. Of the four 'chosen' the Abbado would be last for me and the Mackerras first. As usual too short a time to go into enough coverage, much as I liked the presenter.

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        • Lordgeous
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          • Dec 2012
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          #34
          Originally posted by gradus View Post
          I enjoy every performance of this wonderful work but Beecham introduced me to it and his performance with the RPO remains my favourite, beautifully shaped phrasing, fine playing and plenty of energy when needed.
          Agreed. I too was 'brought up' on the Beecham.

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          • CallMePaul
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            • Jan 2014
            • 808

            #35
            Originally posted by Bryn View Post

            Claudio.
            His nephew Roberto is also a conductor, but I'm not aware that he has recorded this piece (or much else).

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            • gradus
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              • Nov 2010
              • 5637

              #36
              Odd that the Mackerras Prague recordings of Mozart are rarely mentioned only those with the SCO. I have the former and they're excellent.

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              • Barbirollians
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                • Nov 2010
                • 11822

                #37
                Gosh the Harnoncourt was right up there as irritating as our makropolos suggest he could be last week.
                Last edited by Barbirollians; 17-09-23, 10:40.

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26592

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
                  A shout here for the genial Josef Krips / Concertgebouw recording (Of course it won’t get a look in during the programme )
                  I was wrong: it received an honourable mention (which in these days of curtailed chatty BALs goes down as a win).

                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20576

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                    Gosh the Harnoncourt was right up there as irritating as our makropolos suggest he could be last week.
                    Harnoncourt does seem to divide opinions. Some regard him as energetic, lively, refreshed, lean, scholarly. Others find him over careful and rather stodgy.

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                    • smittims
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                      • Aug 2022
                      • 4503

                      #40
                      Maybe he's uneven, as other conductors have been in the past. I've been very satisfied with his opera recordings, Mozart and Monteverdi, and his last Beethoven 4 &5 , but I sometimes feel uncomfortable with his tempi in Mozart and Haydn symphonies.

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                      • Barbirollians
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11822

                        #41
                        I have always thought he was at his best in Schumann .

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                        • richardfinegold
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                          • Sep 2012
                          • 7785

                          #42
                          Did Klemperer, Walter, or Bohm get mentioned? All out of current fashion but probably the ones I listened to most back in the day? What about Marriner, my first small orchestra encounter?

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                          • smittims
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                            • Aug 2022
                            • 4503

                            #43
                            Wow, I can't imagine Harnoncourt in Schumann, but you may be right. I can imagine him illuminating old Robert's thick scoring. I'll investigate.

                            Marriner I always thought had an infallible instinct for tempo in Mozart, especially in transitions from one tempo to another. Nothing was too much trouble for him. I expect his 'galley years' as a rank-and-file violinist helped here, playing under many conductors including Furtwangler and Toscanini. .

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                            • Nick Armstrong
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26592

                              #44
                              Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                              Did Klemperer, Walter, or Bohm get mentioned? All out of current fashion but probably the ones I listened to most back in the day? What about Marriner, my first small orchestra encounter?
                              Böhm was much talked about and illustrated, and reached the final ‘shortlist’ - I expected it to be chosen, from the way it was discussed. Sounded timelessly fresh
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • Barbirollians
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 11822

                                #45
                                Originally posted by smittims View Post
                                Wow, I can't imagine Harnoncourt in Schumann, but you may be right. I can imagine him illuminating old Robert's thick scoring. I'll investigate.

                                Marriner I always thought had an infallible instinct for tempo in Mozart, especially in transitions from one tempo to another. Nothing was too much trouble for him. I expect his 'galley years' as a rank-and-file violinist helped here, playing under many conductors including Furtwangler and Toscanini. .
                                Very goid in the symphonies and an outstanding recording of Das Paradis .

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