BaL 28.03.15 - Elgar: Symphony no. 2 in E flat

[Tevot]

Yay! Barenboim gets the nod. My go-to Elgar 2 since it appeared, despite some rather idiosyncratic tempi in the first movement. Who cares, with that radiant ending.

Hello there,

I listened to the recording via listen again last night. I thought it was a gripping and moving performance. Indeed I venture I'll be giving it a few more "spins"... I did, however, like the excerpt of the Mackerras played on Saturday.

Best Wishes,

Tevot

[cloughie]

Evidently the wrong one this morning! (Not sure where the 50 Shades reference came from, nor to what it is relevant!)

Seems they’re making straitjackets to tighten up our HIPPs.
First with Bach and Haydn then with Berlioz they got to grips.
Norrington and others have their twentieth century tips
Next it’ll be the Motor City with Gladys and her Pips?

But play that Portamento boys
The Rubato and Vibrato's great.
Or perhaps out there's an audience
That prefers to hear it strait!

When I was typing Norrington the auto corrector wanted to change it to No ringtone!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Seems they’re making straitjackets to tighten up our HIPPs.
First with Bach and Haydn then with Berlioz they got to grips.
Norrington and others have their twentieth century tips
Next it’ll be the Motor City with Gladys and her Pips?

But play that Portamento boys
The Rubato and Vibrato's great.
Or perhaps out there's an audience
That prefers to hear it strait!

When I was typing Norrington the auto corrector wanted to change it to No ringtone!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I had a dream last night that explained why Sir Roger hasn't recorded Elgar 2, and I can't remember why...

[Barbirollians]

I had a dream last night that explained why Sir Roger hasn't recorded Elgar 2, and I can't remember why...

The money men decided only Bryn and fhgl would buy it ?

[Alison]

Seems they’re making straitjackets to tighten up our HIPPs.
First with Bach and Haydn then with Berlioz they got to grips.
Norrington and others have their twentieth century tips
Next it’ll be the Motor City with Gladys and her Pips?

But play that Portamento boys
The Rubato and Vibrato's great.
Or perhaps out there's an audience
That prefers to hear it strait!

When I was typing Norrington the auto corrector wanted to change it to No ringtone!

Excellent stuff Cloughie!

I played Sinopli yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it, none of the Barenboim section-by-section feel.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

The money men decided only Bryn and fhgl would buy it ?

No. That wasn't the reason. I remember now.

It was this:

[vinteuil]

No. That wasn't the reason. I remember now.

It was this:

... and presumably, on all the other notes in the score which are not marked vibrato - the intention is therefore that they should be played without vibrato?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Seems they’re making straitjackets to tighten up our HIPPs.
First with Bach and Haydn then with Berlioz they got to grips.
Norrington and others have their twentieth century tips
Next it’ll be the Motor City with Gladys and her Pips?

But play that Portamento boys
The Rubato and Vibrato's great.
Or perhaps out there's an audience
That prefers to hear it strait!

When I was typing Norrington the auto corrector wanted to change it to No ringtone!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

... and presumably, on all the other notes in the score which are not marked vibrato - the intention is therefore that they should be played without vibrato?

Took the very words from my keyboard, vinty - Alpie has demonstrated Sir Ringtone's point for him

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... and presumably, on all the other notes in the score which are not marked vibrato - the intention is therefore that they should be played without vibrato?

Actually, you have a fair point - one I made earlier. I think the same can be said of some of the Hurwitz evidence, when he quotes a Rossini score.

Conversely, when Leopold Mozart criticised "continuous vibrato", he would surely only have done so only because there were a significant number of players who had adopted, er, continuous vibrato. (In the case of Elgar, we know his players did use continuous vibrato.)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Took the very words from my keyboard, vinty - Alpie has demonstrated Sir Ringtone's point for him

But I use evidence. I don't actually make it up.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Conversely, when Leopold Mozart criticised "continuous vibrato", he would surely only have done so only because there were a significant number of players who had adopted, er, continuous vibrato.

Yes - your point being ... ?

(In the case of Elgar, we know his players did use continuous vibrato.)

So why do you think Elgar put the "Vibrato" instructions in his score? If he knew they were going to so play, why encumber the score with a redundant marking - too much ink on his nib? It would be like sticking an arco instruction in the middle of a phrase not preceded by a pizzicato passage.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

So why do you think Elgar put the "Vibrato" instructions in his score? If he knew they were going to so play, why encumber the score with a redundant marking - too much ink on his nib? It would be like sticking an arco instruction in the middle of a phrase not preceded by a pizzicato passage.

For emphasis, of course. It's a massive climax within a nobilmente passage.

Elgar's 1st recording - Carissima - was made in January 1914, 3 years an 5 months after the premiere of the 2nd symphony. It's played with oodles of continuous vibrato - almost as much as in a 1930s American soundtrack. (If it were "wow and/or flutter", all other instruments would have been affected.)

[Bryn]

For emphasis, of course. It's a massive climax within a nobilmente passage.

Elgar's 1st recording - Carissima - was made in January 1914, 3 years an 5 months after the premiere of the 2nd symphony. It's played with oodles of continuous vibrato - almost as much as in a 1930s American soundtrack. (If it were "wow and/or flutter", all other instruments would have been affected.)

1914 eh? So how would any string player best project their instrument's output to the primitive recording devices of the time?