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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    BaL 14.02.15 - Ravel: Piano Concerto in G

    0930
    Jonathan Swain has some tough decisions to make as he explores the the available recordings of Ravel's Piano Concerto in G to make a personal recommendation. With its jazzy rhythms and sultry slow movement, Ravel's Piano Concerto is an evergreen favourite among concert goers and a challenge to performers.

    Available versions:


    Pierre-Laurent Aimard, Cleveland Orchestra, Pierre Boulez
    Martha Argerich, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Claudio Abbado
    Martha Argerich, London Symphony Orchestra, Abbado
    Martha Argerich, Orchestra della Svizzera italiana, Jacek Kaspszyk
    Martha Argerich, Cologne Radio Symphony Orchestra, Gary Bertini
    Martha Argerich, Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra, Yuri Temirkanov (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Jean-Efflam Bavouzet (piano)BBC Symphony Orchestra, Yan Pascal Tortelier
    Leonard Bernstein, Philharmonia Orchestra
    Leonard Bernstein, Columbia Symphony Orchestra
    Idil Biret, Bilkent Symphony Orchestra, Jean Fournet
    Jacqueline Blancard, L'Orchestre de la Suisse Romande, Ernest Ansermet
    Stefano Bollani, Gewandhausorchester Leipzig, Riccardo Chailly
    Aldo Ciccolini, Orchestre de Paris
    Aldo Ciccolini (DVD)
    Simone Dinnerstein, MDR Leipzig Radio Symphony Orchestra, Kristjan Järvi
    Jean Doyen, Lamoureux Orchestra, Jean Fournet
    Francois-Rene Duchable, Orchestre de la Suisse Romande, Armin Jordan
    Samson François, Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatoire, André Cluytens
    Samson François (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Helene Grimaud, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Jesús López-Cobos
    Helene Grimaud, Baltimore Symphony Orchestra, David Zinman
    Helene Grimaud, Chamber Orchestra of Europe, Vladimir Jurowski (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Claire Marie Le Guay, Liege Philharmonic, Louis Langree
    Monique Haas, Orchestre National de Paris, Paul Paray
    Monique Haas, National Radio Orchestra, Jascha Horenstein
    Werner Haas, Monte Carlo Opera Orchestra, Alceo Galliera (download)
    Nicole Henriot-Schweitzer, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Charles Munch
    Jeno Jando, Budapest Symphony Orchestra, Antal Jancsovics (download)
    Benjamin Grosvenor, Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, James Judd
    Julius Katchen (piano). London Symphony Orchestra, István Kertész
    Zoltán Kocsis, Budapest Festival Orchestra, Iván Fischer (dlownload)
    Alicia de Larrocha, London Philharmonic Orchestra. Lawrence Foster
    Louis Lortie, London Symphony Orchestra, Rafael Fruhbeck de Burgos
    Yundi Li, Berliner Philharmoniker, Seiji Ozawa
    Andrew Litton, Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra, Libor Pesek
    Marguerite Long, Lamoureux Concert Association Orchestra, Maurice Ravel (download)
    Albert Roussel, Maurice Ravel
    Oleg Marshev, South Jutland Symphony Orchestra, Vladimir Ziva
    Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli, NHK Symphony Orchestra Tokyo, Alexander Rumpf
    Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli, Philharmonia Orchestra, Ettore Gracis
    Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli, Orchestra Sinfonica di Torino della RAI, Nino Sanzogno
    Ivan Moravec, Prague Philharmonia, Jirí Belohlávek
    Roger Muraro, Orchestre Philharmonique de Radio France, Myung-Whun Chung
    Roger Muraro, Basel Symphony Orchestra, Hubert Soudant
    Yukie Nagai, Malmö Symphony Orchestra, Juni'chi Hirokami,
    Kun Woo Paik, Radio-Sinfonieorchester Stuttgart, Gary Bertini
    Ian Parker, London Symphony Orchestra, Michael Francis
    Vlado Perlemuter, Colonne Concerts Orchestra, Jascha Horenstein
    Georges Pludermacher, Orchestre National de Lille, Jean-Claude Casadesus
    Anne Queffélec, Strasbourg Philharmonic Orchestra, Alain Lombard
    Pascal Rogé, RSO Wien, Bertrand de Billy
    Pascal Rogé, Orchestre symphonique de Montréal, Charles Dutoit (download)
    Francesco Schlime, Russian National Orchestra, Mikhail Pletnev
    Basinia Schulman, Moscow Orchestra, Roland Freisitzer
    Huseyin Sermet, Lyon National Orchestra, Emmanuel Krivine (download)
    Michael Studer
    Jean-Yves Thibaudet, Orchestre symphonique de Montréal, Charles Dutoit
    Francois-Joel Thiollier, Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra, Antoni Wit
    Florian Uhlig, German Radio Saarbrucken-Kaiserslautern Philharmonic Orchestra, Pablo Gonzalez
    Anna Vinnitskaya, Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, Gilbert Varga
    Alexis Weissenberg, Orchestre de Paris, Seiji Ozawa
    Ivan Klára Würtz, Janacek Philharmonic Orchestra, Theodore Kuchar
    Yakov Zak USSR State Academic Symphony Orchestra, Evgeny Svetlanov
    Krystian Zimerman, Cleveland Orchestra, Pierre Boulez
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 23-02-15, 12:09.
  • Don Petter

    #2
    Brave work, as ever! There seem to be a few more, still available, from my list.


    Aldo Ciccolini, Orchestre de Paris, Martinon is in the Ciccolini big box

    Cor de Groot, Concertgebouw, Beinum is available on APR



    Marguerite Long, orchestra, Branco is on Dutton:



    Gwendolyn Mok, Philharmonia, Simon is available:

    Buy Ravel: Valley of the Bells by Burgess, Mok, Philh, Simon from Amazon's Classical Music Store. Everyday low prices and free delivery on eligible orders.


    Abbey Simon, Luxemburg RSO, Froment (Amazon UK download)

    Daniel Wayenberg, Orch. Champs Elysees, Bour (Amazon UK download)

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    • Petrushka
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12242

      #3
      Only have the one recording: Argerich/LSO/Abbado. A winner if ever there was one.
      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26524

        #4
        One of my favourite pieces ever... and this BAL will come 36 hours after hearing Mitsuko Uchida perform it with Salonen, a toothsome combination for which I cannot wait. She's never recorded it so this probably heralds an addition to that exhausting list ( Alpie).

        As for recordings - I've had the 60s Argerich/BPO/Abbado for years - I prefer it to the LSO 'remake' that I also acquired when it came out; but some corkers have come along lately. I also have Samson François (interesting historic choice, fun in the outer movements, murders the slow movement), Collard/Maazel (better in the Left Hand), Aimard/Boulez (ditto), Bavouzet/Tortelier, Rogé/Dutoit, Yundi Li/Ozawa and Thibaudet/Dutoit.... plus as a wild card, Thibaudet/GMJO-Philippe Jordan (fab performance recorded from the 2013 Prom).

        I think I'm right in recalling that in their 2011 programme on the piece, the French critics chose 'blind' the Argerich/BPO/Abbado performance as the favourite. I do remember they gave short shrift to the Michelangeli/Gracis version which I found gratifying as I've never liked it and always found its status as a 'towering classic of the gramophone' incomprehensible. The revelation for me of the French programme was the Yundi Li performance which remains my 'modern' favourite along with the Bavouzet, I think.
        Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 06-02-15, 23:58.
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • makropulos
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1669

          #5
          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
          One of my favourite pieces ever... and this BAL will come 36 hours after hearing Mitsuko Uchida perform it with Salonen, a toothsome combination for which I cannot wait. She's never recorded it so this probably heralds an addition to that exhausting list ( Alpie).

          As for recordings - I've had the 60s Argerich/BPO/Abbado for years - I prefer it to the LSO 'remake' that I also acquired when it came out; but some corkers have come along lately. I also have Samson François (interesting historic choice, fun in the outer movements, murders the slow movement), Collard/Maazel (better in the Left Hand), Aimard/Boulez (ditto), Bavouzet/Tortelier, Rogé/Dutoit, Yundi Li/Ozawa and Thibaudet/Dutoit.... plus as a wild card, Thibaudet/GMJO-Philippe Jordan (fab performance recorded from the 2013 Prom).

          I think I'm right in recalling that in their 2011 programme on the piece, the French critics chose 'blind' the Argerich/BPO/Abbado performance as the favourite. I do remember they gave short shrift to the Michelangeli/Gracis version which I found gratifying as I've never liked it and always found its status as a 'towering classic of the gramophone' incomprehensible. The revelation for me of the French programme was the Yundi Li performance which remains my 'modern' favourite along with the Bavouzet, I think.
          I love it too. Favourites include Argerich/Abbado/BPO, and François/Cluytens (the first record I ever had of this work), and I also have a very soft spot for Monique Haas/Paray (DG) and Queffelec/Lombard (Erato). Another on my own shortlist would be Katchen/Kertesz on Decca. No doubt one of Bernstein's performances is going to be a controversial choice, but I always enjoy the 1946 one with the Philharmonia (RCA) and the remake for Sony.

          It's a relief to read what you say about Michaelangeli/Gracis - I feared I was alone in thinking that.

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          • Barbirollians
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 11671

            #6
            Argerich/LSO/Abbado for me too - but I am in the towering classic of the gramophone camp for the Michelangeli/Gracis record though Argerich would still be my winner - Michelangeli's Rachmaninov 4 is even more dazzling - an account that won me over to a concerto I disliked .

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            • jayne lee wilson
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 10711

              #7
              Francois/Cluytens VG for me too - on Toshiba, naturellement...

              Listening to several Rattle/CBSO CDs recently, including these Ravel Concerti with Cecile Ousset. Sure ranks high with me...

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              • Belgrove
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 936

                #8
                I have many versions of this, all of which give pleasure but listen to Argerich/Abbado and Ousset/Rattle the most. It seems fairly bomb proof as a work, so Jonathan Swain may have his work cut out to come to a decision for good reasons. I would never use the word 'sultry' to describe the gorgeous second movement.

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Belgrove View Post
                  I would never use the word 'sultry' to describe the gorgeous second movement.
                  Gosh, nor would I (Alpie is probably quoting from the Beeb site): there's pain and regret there, but never wallowing - keeping a c'est la vie detachment that makes the melancholy all the more moving.
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20570

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    Gosh, nor would I (Alpie is probably quoting from the Beeb site): there's pain and regret there, but never wallowing - keeping a c'est la vie detachment that makes the melancholy all the more moving.
                    I was indeed quoting from the Beeb site, which I do every week, except when there is an obvious error.

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                    • Pulcinella
                      Host
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10900

                      #11
                      Another to add to the list:
                      Entremont/Philadelphia/Ormandy, included in the Boulez (sic) not-so-complete Columbia Album Collection.

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                      • gurnemanz
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7382

                        #12
                        A favourite early LP purchase was Bernstein playing and conducting Columbia SO, coupled with Shostakovich 2. A great version in my book, but like makropulos above, I doubt if he will win.

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26524

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Belgrove View Post
                          It seems fairly bomb proof as a work
                          Well it was reduced to smithereens by the digital detonations of a German pianist I once witnessed launching an attack on it in the Festival Hall He shall remain nameless (largely because I've forgotten his name ).

                          I do think the slow movement is easily undone (Samson François... ) by pianists who do that horrible mannered thing of playing the right hand notes behind the left hand ones (there's a name for the technique, can't remember that either!). It's a no-no for me, it tears that most delicate fabric apart....
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • Maclintick
                            Full Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1065

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Caliban View Post

                            I do think the slow movement is easily undone (Samson François... ) by pianists who do that horrible mannered thing of playing the right hand notes behind the left hand ones (there's a name for the technique, can't remember that either!). It's a no-no for me, it tears that most delicate fabric apart....
                            Cali, that slight delay in the right-hand you object to is truly HIPP. Here's Marguerite Long shortly after the G major concerto's premiere...

                            Marguerite Long (1874-1966) plays Ravel Piano Concerto II Pde.F-Branco Rec.1932It was assumed that this recording was a conducted by the composer at very lon...


                            Many pianists of that vintage & later employ the same technique to either expressive or ruinous effect, according to one's personal predilection, & for me it doesn't disqualify Michelangeli/Philharmonia/Gracis from equal honours with Argerich/BPO/Abbado, which enjoys more refined DG sound. Samson/OSCC/Cluytens is also required listening, despite being holed below-the-waterline by agogic hesitations in the adagio & the failure of OSCC woodwind to agree on tuning, but is eclipsed by the blistering account of the Left Hand Concerto with which it's coupled -- that second cadenza !

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                            • BBMmk2
                              Late Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20908

                              #15
                              This has to be one of my favourite piano concerti ever. I have Argerich, BPO/Abbado, Zimmermann, Cleveland, Boulez. The sublime slow movement really hits at the centre. Can't wait.
                              Don’t cry for me
                              I go where music was born

                              J S Bach 1685-1750

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