BaL 31.01.15 - Beethoven: Symphony no. 3 in E flat "Eroica"

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

[Alison]

Normally on a thread of this type Roy Goodman would have had a mention by now.

[Tony Halstead]

Normally on a thread of this type Roy Goodman would have had a mention by now.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, Alison... Roy is a friend and colleague of mine.
He is indeed mentioned in EA's monumental list of recordings in message #1, - conducting The Hanover Band, whose players in that somewhat 'underedited' Nimbus recorded performance included myself.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I'm not sure what you mean by that, Alison... Roy is a friend and colleague of mine.
He is indeed mentioned in EA's monumental list of recordings in message #1, - conducting The Hanover Band, whose players in that somewhat 'underedited' Nimbus recorded performance included myself.

By "under edited", do you mean it's full of embarrassing mistakes? Some of the most memorable performances are like that, though I suppose hearing minor slips repeated can be wearing over time.

[vinteuil]

... it's full full of embracing mistakes?.

... ah, embracing mistakes. I remember them - but I was young at the time...

[Tony Halstead]

... ah, embracing mistakes. I remember them - but I was young at the time...

[Tony Halstead]

By "under edited", do you mean it's full of embarrassing mistakes?

Yes, exactly that.
On the recording sessions, after the 2nd 'complete take' of the Scherzo-Trio-Scherzo in which the horn playing in the Trio had gone rather 'disastrously wrong', the Nimbus 'in-house' producer said to me " I'm tempted to leave all those mistakes in the 'final edit' because it reflects what happens in real-life"

[johnb]

I guess you did find it on Amazon? Searching for Beethoven 3 Kleiber? The VPO singles (incl. a Jap Remaster) are there, albeit at a special price...

Thanks for your help Jayne, Petrushka and ferneyhoughgeliebte - I'll investigate.

[MickyD]

I must say I like those Hanover Band recordings of Beethoven - I think I must be one of the few who enjoy that cavernous acoustic which Nimbus gave them.

[HighlandDougie]

Thanks for your help Jayne, Petrushka and ferneyhoughgeliebte - I'll investigate.

John

PM me and I'll send you the single disc copy made redundant by my having acquired the VPO box. Won't be for a couple of months, though, as I'm in sunny France and it's in freezing Scotland. Very happy that it goes to a good home (and I have an excellent pressing of the LP in Scotland if I have a sudden desire to listen to it).

HD

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I must say I like those Hanover Band recordings of Beethoven - I think I must be one of the few who enjoy that cavernous acoustic which Nimbus gave them.

It wasn't just the Hanover Band who were given that highly reverberant acoustic. William Boughton's English SO sounded much the same in his recordings.

[Bryn]

I must say I like those Hanover Band recordings of Beethoven - I think I must be one of the few who enjoy that cavernous acoustic which Nimbus gave them.

Must say I tend to regard it as a case of them having captured, rather than created, the acoustics of their venues. I too like the Nimbus Soundfield mic..based recordings.

[MickyD]

This morning I compared versions by the Hanover Band and Hogwood and Van Immerseel - I found the latter two very closely miked and the Nimbus version much more comfortable on the ear.

[Tony Halstead]

I must say I like those Hanover Band recordings of Beethoven - I think I must be one of the few who enjoy that cavernous acoustic which Nimbus gave them.

The two most 'cavernous' acoustics that were used regularly by Nimbus were All Saints Church, Tooting, London, ( where most of the Hanover Band's recordings were made) and the Great Hall of Birmingham University ( as far as I know, only used a couple of times for the HB recordings of Weber and the Beethoven Missa Solemnis, but used for the ESO / Boughton discs.)

A contributing factor to the recorded sound is undoubtedly the Nimbus 'Ambisonic' microphone - not to be confused with the Calrec 'Soundfield' microphone. In order to get the most pleasure - and the most 'aural information' from a UHJ Ambisonically encoded CD, strictly speaking you need an ambisonic decoder, 2 amplifiers and 4 loudspeakers!

The Nimbus microphone picked up 'rear' information as well as from the front; this is of course not the same as the short-lived, now-despised 'Quadrophonic' system of the mid-1970s.

Many years ago, (when I was a bit more wealthy than I am now) , I owned an Ambisonic setup and it certainly gave excellent results not only with ambisonic recordings but with conventional ones.

[Bryn]

The two most 'cavernous' acoustics that were used regularly by Nimbus were All Saints Church, Tooting, London, ( where most of the Hanover Band's recordings were made) and the Great Hall of Birmingham University ( as far as I know, only used a couple of times for the HB recordings of Weber and the Beethoven Missa Solemnis, but used for the ESO / Boughton discs.)

A contributing factor to the recorded sound is undoubtedly the Nimbus 'Ambisonic' microphone - not to be confused with the Calrec 'Soundfield' microphone. In order to get the most pleasure - and the most 'aural information' from a UHJ Ambisonically encoded CD, strictly speaking you need an ambisonic decoder, 2 amplifiers and 4 loudspeakers!

The Nimbus microphone picked up 'rear' information as well as from the front; this is of course not the same as the short-lived, now-despised 'Quadrophonic' system of the mid-1970s.

Many years ago, (when I was a bit more wealthy than I am now) , I owned an Ambisonic setup and it certainly gave excellent results not only with ambisonic recordings but with conventional ones.

Thanks for the clarification. I had been advised that the Calrec system had been used by Nimbus, but this was not indeed the case:

http://www.wyastone.co.uk/dvd-audio-essay