Bal 24.01.15 - Bartok: Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta

[gradus]

I enjoyed the discussion format and hope it will be used again. Did Solti/LSO get a mention? In the welter of recordings I got a bit lost.
How on earth will the Eroica be tackled next week there must be hundreds of recorded versions.

[Black Swan]

Like many, I enjoyed the program but don't understand why recommend performances that are not readily available. I have checked Presto and Amazon. The Kocsis is available but I am now leaning toward Boulez and Chicago or Solti.

[Bryn]

I have the Kocsis/Fischer Piano Concertos already, so it will be Monday's Essential Classics and an eventual download from Qobuz.

[Oops. It's the Schiff/Fischer Piano Concertos I have (twice), not the Kocsis/Fischer, so I may well be in the market once the set gets released "later this year" after all.]

[LeMartinPecheur]

I enjoyed the discussion format and hope it will be used again. Did Solti/LSO get a mention? In the welter of recordings I got a bit lost.

Pretty sure it didn't. Of my four versions, including that one, the only one that figured, very briefly, was the Detroit SO/ Dorati before being dismissed as inferior to another Dorati, and even that didn't seem to do too well. As mentioned above, I have a previous, rather obscure, BaL choice, Salzburg Camerata/ Vegh, and that wasn't mentioned either

[visualnickmos]

I enjoyed the discussion format and hope it will be used again. Did Solti/LSO get a mention? In the welter of recordings I got a bit lost.

I think it got a mention - not exactly a brush-off, but not elaborated upon, either. I really like Solti 'doing' Bartok, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. His is a very fine version.

Right now I'm listening to Bernstein/NYPO which did get a mention - and a favourable one, at that

Just my personal immediate reaction to the chosen recording, was that I found it a bit sterile. OK - I know it's like judging a three-course meal on just the vegetables, but that was my impression, FWIW

[Beef Oven!]

I struggle to understand why the 1969 Karajan recording was criticised for having the Deutsche Grammophon 1970s production values!

Once again, I enjoyed the dog of two head presentation......

And I'm pleased that some forumites are embracing this new way of doing things, with at least one member being happy to 'eat his own words'

[visualnickmos]

I struggle to understand why the 1969 Karajan recording was criticised for having the Deutsche Grammophon 1970s production values!

Once again, I enjoyed the dog of two head presentation......

And I'm pleased that some forumites are embracing this new way of doing things, with at least one member being happy to 'eat his own words'

I'm not massively a Karajan fan, although I have some CDs of him which really are amongst my favs; (Work that one out!) but I thought the brief extracts of HvK which were played sounded pretty damn good....

I think the double-headed eagle is beginning to take it's place on the BaL coat of arms - I actually enjoy the little 'asides' that come up in the chat......

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Did Solti/LSO get a mention? In the welter of recordings I got a bit lost.

No: Solti's Chicago recording (which was the stand-out extract for me) was favourably-ish illustrated, and his MONO LPO recording was mentioned - the opening of the Third movement was described by RC as "sounding like a milk float". Sadly, if understandably, this sonic simile was not illustrated!

[clive heath]

Solti and the LSO (L's SO ?) in MONO is currently available on my site

http://www.cliveheathmusic.co.uk/vinyl.php

together with two of the Anda/Fricsay Concertos possibly in the denigrated English pressings.

[Petrushka]

Solti and the LSO (L's SO ?) in MONO is currently available on my site

http://www.cliveheathmusic.co.uk/vinyl.php

together with two of the Anda/Fricsay Concertos possibly in the denigrated English pressings.

Solti made three recordings of the MfSP&C: with the LPO in 1955; the LSO in 1963 and the Chicago SO in 1989. Has the LSO version ever surfaced on CD? I have the other two.

[Karafan]

Was it said that HvK's DG recording was 1973? I thought it was 1969.

Are they just reading off the CD booklet which gives the release date of 1973 or doing some research on the recordings?

Perhaps it's me that's wrong.

No, Beefy. The Karajan recording is definitely 1973, coupled with the Concerto from '66.

Karafan

[Beef Oven!]

No, Beefy. The Karajan recording is definitely 1973, coupled with the Concerto from '66.

Karafan

I've got it as Berlin 26th September 1969, CD dg 415 3222 with the Concerto from 20 September - 9th November 1965

[Petrushka]

I've got it as Berlin 26th September 1969, CD dg 415 3222 with the Concerto from 20 September - 9th November 1965

It is in the Karajan 1960s box as CD no 75 originally issued as LP 2530 065 and the coupling was the Stravinsky Apollon Musagete. The accompanying booklet gives the recording date as September 20-22 1969.

As BeefO hinted upthread there was something of a difference between DG recordings from the 1960s and those in the 1970s. The cut off date appears to me to be more like 1973/4 with the move into he Philharmonie as recording venue.

[Beef Oven!]

It is in the Karajan 1960s box as CD no 75 originally issued as LP 2530 065 and the coupling was the Stravinsky Apollon Musagete. The accompanying booklet gives the recording date as September 20-22 1969.

As BeefO hinted upthread there was something of a difference between DG recordings from the 1960s and those in the 1970s. The cut off date appears to me to be more like 1973/4 with the move into he Philharmonie as recording venue.

What date is given for the Concerto?

[Petrushka]

What date is given for the Concerto?

That's CD no 34 in the 1960s box. The recording date is given as September 20/21 and November 9 1965.