Bal 24.01.15 - Bartok: Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    Bal 24.01.15 - Bartok: Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta

    0930
    Rob Cowan joins Andrew for a live edition of Building a Library comparing recordings of the Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta by Béla Bartók. As the piece itself calls for a specific placing of instruments and antiphonal effects, comparing how each ensemble and conductor have chosen to approach recording it promises to be fascinating…

    Available versions:-

    Baltimore Symphony Orchestra, Marin Alsop
    L'Orchestre de la Suisse Romande, Ernest Ansermet
    New York Philharmonic Orchestra, Leonard Bernstein
    Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Pierre Boulez (2 versions)
    London Symphony Orchestra, Antal Dorati
    Hungarian State Symphony Orchestra, Adam Fischer
    RIAS Symphony Orchestra Berlin, Ferenc Fricsay (download)
    Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, Edward Gardner
    SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg, Michael Gielen
    Tapiola Sinfonietta, Jean-Jacques Kantorow
    Berliner Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan (download)
    Philharmonia Orchestra, Herbert von Karajan (download)
    Hungarian National Philharmonic Orchestra, Zoltan Kocsis (runner up*)
    Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Rafael Kubelik (download)
    Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Rafael Kubelik
    Chicago Symphony Orchestra, James Levine (download)
    Scottish Chamber Orchestra, Sir Charles Mackerras
    Academy of St Martin in the Fields, Sir Neville Marriner
    Stuttgart Radio Symphony Orchestra , Neville Marriner (download)
    Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra, Yevgeny Mravinsky
    Tokyo Symphony Orchestra, Naoto Otomo (download)
    Saito Kinen Orchestra, Seiji Ozawa
    SWF Symphony Orchestra, Zoltan Peskó
    Belgian Radio and Television Philharmonic Orchestra, Alexander Rahbari
    City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, Simon Rattle (DVD)
    Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Reiner
    Liszt Ferenc Chamber Orchestra, Budapest, János Rolla (download)
    Minnesota Orchestra, Stanislaw Skrowaczewski
    Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Georg Solti
    London Philharmonic Orchestra, Georg Solti
    Chamber Orchestra of Philadelphia, Ignat Solzhenitsyn (download)
    Leopold Stokowski
    Camerata Academica Salzburg, Sándor Végh
    Les Violons du Roy, Jean-Marie Zeitouni

    *The "top" recommendation was not available
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 23-02-15, 13:39.
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20564

    #2
    It's "live".

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    • rauschwerk
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      • Nov 2010
      • 1479

      #3
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      As the piece itself calls for a specific placing of instruments and antiphonal effects...
      Therefore I'd start by eliminating all mono versions.

      Oh dear, another go at the fireside chat. I think I'll stick with Chicago/Solti in this wonderful music. BPO/Karajan is in very dated sound.

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      • Black Swan

        #4
        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        It's "live".
        I share your grimace. I love this work but don't think I am prepared to listen through the Andrew and Rob show to gain any insight into available recordings. I will wait for the final outcome to see where my current recording rates.

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        • Pulcinella
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          • Feb 2014
          • 10710

          #5
          I shall be intrigued to hear the chorus in the Boulez versions!
          Shurely shome mishtake, EA!

          Looking forward to this (apart from the live aspect!).
          I first got to know the piece from the ASMF Marriner recording.
          It was the NUJMB set work at A Level the year after I studied Brahms 2, and as I was still at school in the third-year sixth I got a score and studied it too (with the help of Annie O Warburton's analysis!).

          :-)

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          • Barbirollians
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            • Nov 2010
            • 11529

            #6
            Reiner for me .

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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              • Nov 2010
              • 20564

              #7
              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
              I shall be intrigued to hear the chorus in the Boulez versions!
              Shurely shome mishtake, EA!


              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
              Looking forward to this (apart from the live aspect!).
              I first got to know the piece from the ASMF Marriner recording.
              It was the NUJMB set work at A Level the year after I studied Brahms 2, and as I was still at school in the third-year sixth I got a score and studied it too (with the help of Annie O Warburton's analysis!).
              This is scary. Are you sure you aren't me? I did exactly the same! We used the Reiner recording, followed by the newly issued Boulez

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              • Pulcinella
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                • Feb 2014
                • 10710

                #8
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post




                This is scary. Are you sure you aren't me? I did exactly the same! We used the Reiner recording, followed by the newly issued Boulez
                Well, I was me when I looked in the mirror to shave this morning!



                I think the Music Department (and school chums) had other recordings. I seem to remember one on the Heliodor label coupled with Hindemith's Mathis der Maler, my first introduction to that.

                Are there really two Chicago Boulez versions? There's certainly a BBCSO Boulez version on Sony.

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                • Nick Armstrong
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  It's "live".
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • Petrushka
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12164

                    #10
                    The 1955 Chicago SO/Reiner recording has been the top choice in this piece since the day it was issued and it still sounds superb. It's a piece I've grown to like very much as the years have gone by and the Reiner was my first recording of it.

                    I'll put my money on Reiner again but if a more modern recording is required then Solti with a latter day Chicago SO will do nicely.

                    The Hungarians have it in my view!
                    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                    • Madame Suggia
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                      • Sep 2012
                      • 189

                      #11
                      Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Rafael Kubelik

                      Love the other-wordly first movement in this performance.

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                      • Pulcinella
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                        • Feb 2014
                        • 10710

                        #12
                        Memory playing tricks again!
                        Though I certainly remember having the ASMF/Marriner LP, the recording was made in October 1969, according to the CD release, so it cannot have been the version we used at school, as this was the set work for summer 1969.

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                        • gurnemanz
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #13
                          The very good Kubelik/Chicago from 1951 can be found as a CD on this box set. I discovered it on the cheap Membran 100CD Meister Konzerte box, which also still be found. I already have two probable front runners: Reiner and Marriner's chamber orchestra version with ASMF.

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                          • Don Petter

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            It's "live".
                            Jings! Discussion and fester ...

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                            • Petrushka
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12164

                              #15
                              Karajan recorded the work three times: with the Philharmonia in 1949, and the BPO in 1960 and 1969. All of them are on CD albeit in boxed sets so not sure why availability on the list is restricted to downloads.

                              Can those who know the score say which percussion instruments are specified by Bartok? Which recording captures them best?
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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