BaL 27.12.14 - Schubert: Symphony no. 8 in B minor

[visualnickmos]

Great story...

That's one of the aspects of these boards that I love. The brilliant stories and anecdotes, or indeed, any fascinating snippet or insight that illuminates the many hidden facets in the world of music.

Maybe a thread devoted to such stories? You never know.....

[amateur51]

Great story...

That's one of the aspects of these boards that I love. The brilliant stories and anecdotes, or indeed, any fascinating snippet or insight that illuminates the many hidden facets in the world of music.

Maybe a thread devoted to such stories? You never know.....

Great story Tony and great idea visnick ... you never know, such a thread might entice Hornspieler, ranconteur extraordinaire, back to the Board

[makropulos]

There isn't very much difference between the Abraham and Newbould completions. Both use the B minor Rosamunde Entr'acte as the finale; the biggest difference in the 3rd movement is in the second section of the Trio. Many people disapprove of completions like this, but imagine if the last two movements of Beethoven's 7th were missing, and then someone found the sketches for them and completed them; many would then say it was better to leave the work ending with the great A minor movement, rather than shattering the effect with an F major scherzo.

Good point. I remember hearing the Abraham completion played by Charles Groves and the RLPO in 1971, and this came out an on an HMV LP soon afterwards (ASD 2743). In his review (Gramophone, November 1971), Robert Layton ended by saying that Charles Groves was 'our most under-rated conductor'.

[visualnickmos]

....might entice Hornspieler, ranconteur extraordinaire, back to the Board

That's it, then - 'motion carried!'

[amateur51]

Good point. I remember hearing the Abraham completion played by Charles Groves and the RLPO in 1971, and this came out an on an HMV LP soon afterwards (ASD 2743). In his review (Gramophone, November 1971), Robert Layton ended by saying that Charles Groves was 'our most under-rated conductor'.

A thread of appreciation for Sir Charles Groves ...

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?2895-Sir-Charles-Groves&highlight=Charles+Groves

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Only 135. Is that all ?

It only slightly exceeded the list for Tchaikovsky's 1st piano concerto.

[richardfinegold]

Great story Tony and great idea visnick ... you never know, such a thread might entice Hornspieler, ranconteur extraordinaire, back to the Board

There is a Reiner story that has been retold so many times that many think it is apocryphal, but I have heard that it is true from many people who were connected with the Chicago Symphony at that time.

Many musicians in the CSO were critical of Reiner for his 'micro-beat' but of course dared not complain about the powerful autocrat of the podium. A double bassist decided to bring a set of opera glasses to stare at the conductor during a passage when the basses were silent, much to the amusement of his colleagues. One time he looked through the glasses again and was able to discern that while conducting the piece, Reiner was holding a note that he had scribbled saying, "You're fired" .

[Barbirollians]

The new Lucerne Abbado , the Kleiber and the Furtwanglers plus the Klemperer .

[BBMmk2]

The new Lucerne Abbado , the Kleiber and the Furtwangler plus the Klemperer .

The Lucerne have recorded this?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

The Lucerne have recorded this?

I think BBM is referring to the VPO/Abbado recorded at the Lucerne Festival.

[waldo]

I think BBM is referring to the VPO/Abbado recorded at the Lucerne Festival.

Though Abbado did conduct the Schubert Unfinished with the Lucerne Festival Orchestra. It was part of his last concert; before the Bruckner 9, which was released this year. Why they haven't yet released the Schubert, I don't know. You would have thought it would have been added to the Bruckner 9 to make a special "Last Concert" double CD. They certainly recorded it (I've got it, but not in the best sound quality). As usual, the concert got absolutely rave reviews........

[BBMmk2]

I think BBM is referring to the VPO/Abbado recorded at the Lucerne Festival.

Ah that would be it! Thanks EA!!

[Petrushka]

Though Abbado did conduct the Schubert Unfinished with the Lucerne Festival Orchestra. It was part of his last concert; before the Bruckner 9, which was released this year. Why they haven't yet released the Schubert, I don't know. You would have thought it would have been added to the Bruckner 9 to make a special "Last Concert" double CD. They certainly recorded it (I've got it, but not in the best sound quality). As usual, the concert got absolutely rave reviews........

I agree but it is likely that only the Bruckner 9 was scheduled for release as a CD while the Schubert was recorded by Swiss Radio only. Needless to say, no-one knew it would be his last concert...

[Barbirollians]

EA is quite right I was referring to what is I think pretty much my record of the year the Audite record of three performances given by Abbado with the VPO and COE before the Lucerne Festival orchestra was re-established I think .

That 1978 VPO live recording even tops his COE account. Listened to the Klemperer again tonight though - now that is special too.

[BBMmk2]

EA is quite right I was referring to what is I think pretty much my record of the year the Audite record of three performances given by Abbado with the VPO and COE before the Lucerne Festival orchestra was re-established I think .

That 1978 VPO live recording even tops his COE account. Listened to the Klemperer again tonight though - now that is special too.

That 1978 VPO account better than CoE? Hard to believe!!