BaL 6.12.14 - Bach: 4 Orchestral Suites (BWV 1066-69)

[tigajen]

That kind of put-down isn't helpful. It's quite possible to put forward counter-arguments to insult the kind of performances that you may prefer.

THank you

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

That kind of put-down isn't helpful. It's quite possible to put forward counter-arguments to insult the kind of performances that you may prefer.

???
Right Instruments
Right pitch
18th Century "feeling"
"Hierarchical stresses" and "non-stresses" a-plenty?

Insult away!

[tigajen]

???
Right Instruments
Right pitch
18th Century "feeling"
"Hierarchical stresses" and "non-stresses" a-plenty?

Insult away!

I seem to have opened a hornet's nest for which I apologise.I was simply giving a PERSONAL opinion.Ido not expect everyone to agree.It would be a sorry state of affairs if they did!!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

No, tigajen - the apology should be mine: Alpie and I have a fondness for taking potshots at each other in matters Baroque - no offence is ever intended or (I hope!) taken, and no hornets have ever been harmed in the making of such posts. Please do not be put off posting by my childishness

[tigajen]

No, tigajen - the apology should be mine: Alpie and I have a fondness for taking potshots at each other in matters Baroque - no offence is ever intended or (I hope!) taken, and no hornets have ever been harmed in the making of such posts. Please do not be put off posting by my childishness

No offence taken.Thank you for your post.

[Tony Halstead]

No offence taken.Thank you for your post.

Oh dear, oh dear, apologies to all and sundry.
it was MY childishness that caused this little 'spat'.

[makropulos]

the recently emerged school of conductors using traditional instruments (can that be the right descriptor?) , but deploying learnings and approaches from the HIPP movement - Ticciati, Zinman, Nezet, Mackerras etc.

Of course, disregarded by current HIPP exponents, Leppard was doing just that in the 1960s!

What an odd group of conductors to bracket as "recently-emerged". Charles Mackerras was "deploying learnings" of the sort you refer to decades before there even was a "HIPP movement" - in the 1950s - especially in Mozart and Handel. Raymond Leppard in the 60s, yes. Zinman was interested in these questions from the 70s onwards. All of them before Ticciati (b. 1983) and Nezet-Seguin (b. 1975) were even born, let alone active as conductors.

[BBMmk2]

Don't get me wrong, I like HIPP performers, and what they do, I still think that there is room for non-HIPP, eg ASMF/Mariner and ECO/Leppard, etc.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Don't get me wrong, I like HIPP performers, and what they do, I still think that there is room for non-HIPP, eg ASMF/Mariner and ECO/Leppard, etc.

Of course - the main thing is that people listen with enjoyment to whichever versions they find brings out the best for them of this life-affirming Music.

[cloughie]

Don't get me wrong, I like HIPP performers, and what they do, I still think that there is room for non-HIPP, eg ASMF/Mariner and ECO/Leppard, etc.

Yes

[cloughie]

Of course - the main thing is that people listen with enjoyment to whichever versions they find brings out the best for them of this life-affirming Music.

Yes

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Oh dear, oh dear, apologies to all and sundry.
it was MY childishness that caused this little 'spat'.

Don't beat yourself up about it, Tony. The reviewer was much more patronising. Somethimg along the lines of "When I heard the Karl Richter, I larfed."

[Nick Armstrong]

Pity the Café Z versions were somewhat damned with faint praise. The 'winner' sounded to be sporting the sort of 'steely' sound in the strings that I both dislike and find ironic given it sounds more as if they're playing on wire than the 'old-fashioned metal string' brigade...! The mentions of a distracting sound above also put me off.

Must hear again what was said about Koopman's set which I find is the only CD I have; to add to my Café Z downloads, I suspect I may give into the temptation of acquiring Suzuki's set - I love their sound.

And I am also tempted by that first Argo Marriner! It sounded very winning, from the extracts, to me!

I got to know these pieces as the first Suite was one of my 'O'-level music set works (I suspect the same may be true of others here).... but I listened to them on the ...



Munchinger set that the parents had (an earlier one, not the later one illustrated on BAL). Not really tolerable in any way these days...

But a good BAL - it took me about 90 minutes to listen to as I kept going back to hear each extract and ML's comments a second time. Fascinating.

[Roehre]

Don't beat yourself up about it, Tony. The reviewer was much more patronising. Somethimg along the lines of "When I heard the Karl Richter, I larfed."

Not realising (or pehaps even knowing ) that Richter was a fresh breath of air in the 1950s, after having these works played by romantic and big sized symphony orchestras.
There have been some developments the last five decades

[MickyD]

I am in the middle of listening to the Café Zimmerman version of suite no.3 on YouTube, and I must say that I like it very much. As you say, Cali, what a shame it got short shrift - but for what reasons we know not.