BaL 24.05.14: Beethoven Symphony no. 2 in D

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  • Beef Oven!
    Ex-member
    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
    A sentence for Pedants' Paradise?
    Language evolves and moves on, even more quickly than Beethoven performance protocols.

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    • antongould
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 8832

      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      Further to my previous comment, at least Rob is doing most of the talking - not too many interjections.
      Do we not need Clemmie as well and did I just hear a tweet?

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      • cloughie
        Full Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 22182

        Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
        Get the lot for £7.07 new (+£1.26 p+p):http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Sy...tens+Beethoven

        It remains a great set with truly superb playing, especially from the oboe throughout.

        Does anyone know why Cluytens was chosen to record this cycle? Was it intended for Karajan before he decamped to DG? Whatever the case, it is, in some ways a finer set than Karajan's 1962 cycle with, one assumes, many of the same players.
        Good question but he did the Pastoral in mono a couple of years previously and the success of that excellent recording perhaps spurred on the stereo set including a remake of No6. Whatever it's very good and I had the CFP LPs and now have the Disky CDs. As an aside - interesting how the cheapest Amazon merchant for many issues are American based but purchases are dispatched from Middlesex - I guess French sets such as this Cluytens set have never touched American soil - has anyone on these boards done the over £15 price test for customs?

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 20572

          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
          Language evolves and moves on, even more quickly than Beethoven performance protocols.
          Any excuse.

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 20572

            Saarbrucken Radio Symphony Orchestra, Stanislaw Skrowaczewski

            I never expected this.

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            • visualnickmos
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3614

              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
              Saarbrucken Radio Symphony Orchestra, Stanislaw Skrowaczewski

              I never expected this.
              Quite. The extracts played were OK, but a little 'thin' shall I say, but it's impossible to judge a 4-course dinner, on just the vegetables, isn't it?
              Personally I preferred the Szell and Walter - both of which are in their complete cycles, and well worth having.

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              • waldo
                Full Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 449

                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                Saarbrucken Radio Symphony Orchestra, Stanislaw Skrowaczewski

                I never expected this.
                I don't know Skrowaczewski's Beethoven, but his Bruckner cycle with the same orchestra is among the greatest Bruckner sets of all time. Good to see a less familiar conductor get the plaudits for once.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20572

                  Hermann Scherchen's clip impressed me as much as any.

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                  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 9173

                    indeed waldo; having by chance discovered the Skrowaczewski cycle on emusic last month and finding it attractive

                    but the Krivine and the Jarvi have me confused; there was an excerpt from a recording of stunning audio quality but which was it?
                    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                    • HighlandDougie
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3106

                      I would hazard a guess that the excerpt in excellent sound would have been Järvi - multichannel SACD, recorded in 2007 in the Funkhaus Köpenick, Berlin. I bought the Krivine, largely on the basis of a rave review from a certain Rob Cowan, and eventually passed it on to Ams as I found the sound to be so dry and uningratiating as to detract from enjoyment of the performance.

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                      • richardfinegold
                        Full Member
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 7737

                        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                        Good question but he did the Pastoral in mono a couple of years previously and the success of that excellent recording perhaps spurred on the stereo set including a remake of No6. Whatever it's very good and I had the CFP LPs and now have the Disky CDs. As an aside - interesting how the cheapest Amazon merchant for many issues are American based but purchases are dispatched from Middlesex - I guess French sets such as this Cluytens set have never touched American soil - has anyone on these boards done the over £15 price test for customs?

                        I never remember seeing this set before. It is going for about $8 on Amazon. Tempting.

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                        • richardfinegold
                          Full Member
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 7737

                          Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
                          I would hazard a guess that the excerpt in excellent sound would have been Järvi - multichannel SACD, recorded in 2007 in the Funkhaus Köpenick, Berlin. I bought the Krivine, largely on the basis of a rave review from a certain Rob Cowan, and eventually passed it on to Ams as I found the sound to be so dry and uningratiating as to detract from enjoyment of the performance.
                          I was also tempted to buy the Krivine based on raves from posters here, but it's quite expensive , so I made the whole cycle a playlist on Spotify. I don't object to the sound per se, but more to the occasionally screechy string tone. I have gotten a lot of pleasure from it though.

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                          • cheesehoven
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 44

                            I'm not convinced by the format of Andrew chatting with the reviewer- is this here to stay? Both Rob and Andrew are engaging on their own but it comes across as being a bit too matey to me.

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                            • Tony Halstead
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1717

                              Originally posted by cheesehoven View Post
                              I'm not convinced by the format of Andrew chatting with the reviewer- is this here to stay? Both Rob and Andrew are engaging on their own but it comes across as being a bit too matey to me.
                              Exactly so, too matey for me too.
                              I'm a bit disappointed that Rob played such a very short extract from the superlative Szell/ Cleveland recording.

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                              • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                                Late member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 9173

                                Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
                                I would hazard a guess that the excerpt in excellent sound would have been Järvi - multichannel SACD, recorded in 2007 in the Funkhaus Köpenick, Berlin. I bought the Krivine, largely on the basis of a rave review from a certain Rob Cowan, and eventually passed it on to Ams as I found the sound to be so dry and uningratiating as to detract from enjoyment of the performance.
                                cheers
                                According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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