BaL 24.05.14: Beethoven Symphony no. 2 in D

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  • Barbirollians
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11763

    #91
    That Cluytens is indeed special . I shall be digging it after YMOTY.

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    • slarty

      #92
      My favorite performance of all is a live rendering from a concert in Tokyo on November 14th 1977 with Karajan and the Berliners.
      It was issued on CD by Tokyo FM, but it can hardly be included in Alpie's list as it is all but deleted in Japan and available nowhere else.
      A possible explanation of why this performance is so special, is that Karajan programmed it as the only work in the second half of a programme with the Third Piano concerto with Weissenberg in the first half.
      It was part of a complete Beethoven cycle given in Tokyo that week. To hear the 2nd symphony given that much prominence adds a whole new dimension to the work.
      It is mind-blowing.

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      • BBMmk2
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 20908

        #93
        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
        Even in Mozart Bbm?
        Indeed! Even in Mozart! He certainly had that! Also I liked Sir Charles Mackerras but that's it!
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • silvestrione
          Full Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 1725

          #94
          Originally posted by slarty View Post
          My favorite performance of all is a live rendering from a concert in Tokyo on November 14th 1977 with Karajan and the Berliners.
          It was issued on CD by Tokyo FM, but it can hardly be included in Alpie's list as it is all but deleted in Japan and available nowhere else.
          A possible explanation of why this performance is so special, is that Karajan programmed it as the only work in the second half of a programme with the Third Piano concerto with Weissenberg in the first half.
          It was part of a complete Beethoven cycle given in Tokyo that week. To hear the 2nd symphony given that much prominence adds a whole new dimension to the work.
          It is mind-blowing.
          I was thinking. for this work there ought to be a special category, for performances NOT just recorded or performed just to complete a complete cycle! Might have a quite short list then.

          I'm pleased to hear that Karajan performed it live. His performances are amongst my favourites (Philharmonia, and 70s BPO in my case). I would love to have the CD of that Tokyo concert!

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          • verismissimo
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 2957

            #95
            I've been listening to the seven versions in my 'library' and top of the pile for me are Monteux/NDR and (perhaps surprisingly) Konwitschny/Gewandhaus.

            A deal-breaker in this symphony is always a sluggish Larghetto. Far too prevalent amongst the trad Big Bands.

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 20575

              #96
              Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
              .

              A deal-breaker in this symphony is always a sluggish Larghetto. Far too prevalent amongst the trad Big Bands.
              How do you find Klemperer? He is often considered to be a "slow" conductor, but his slow movements never lack momentum.

              Of his early slow movements, I feel the 2nd symphony's has the most in common with the 9th's.

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              • verismissimo
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 2957

                #97
                Originally posted by Roehre
                Verismissimo, this remark may not be as far fetched it possibly seems to be...
                Roehre, Alpie may occasionally be a touch closed-minded, but far-fetched - never!

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                • Karafan
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 786

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                  How long is "long" in this instance?
                  3-4 feet each I would guess.....
                  "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20575

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Roehre
                    Originally posted by verissimo
                    Roehre, Alpie may occasionally be a touch closed-minded, but far-fetched - never
                    Sorry, duly corrected
                    Do carry on talking about me as though I'm invisible.

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                    • BBMmk2
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                      That Cluytens is indeed special . I shall be digging it after YMOTY.
                      That's in that EMI LvB Edition isn't? Are they available separately?
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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                      • Petrushka
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12332

                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        That's in that EMI LvB Edition isn't? Are they available separately?
                        Get the lot for £7.07 new (+£1.26 p+p):http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Sy...tens+Beethoven

                        It remains a great set with truly superb playing, especially from the oboe throughout.

                        Does anyone know why Cluytens was chosen to record this cycle? Was it intended for Karajan before he decamped to DG? Whatever the case, it is, in some ways a finer set than Karajan's 1962 cycle with, one assumes, many of the same players.
                        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20575

                          So far so good, but it isn't natural, having two critics constantly agreeing with one another.

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                          • Eine Alpensinfonie
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20575

                            Further to my previous comment, at least Rob is doing most of the talking - not too many interjections.

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                            • Beef Oven!
                              Ex-member
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 18147

                              I liked the Bruggen excerpts.

                              I don't suppose the price of the Bruggen recordings will go easy, any time soon.

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20575

                                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post

                                I don't suppose the price of the Bruggen recordings will go easy, any time soon.
                                A sentence for Pedants' Paradise?

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