BaL 3.05.14/5.11.22- Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto no. 1 in B flat minor

[cloughie]

I too prefer the 2nd concerto.

The second movement is wonderful and the Kersenbaum/Martinon is one of the best!

[kea]

Wot, no HIP version?

I'm personally quite fond of Brautigam/LCP/Norrington's pioneering 1-per-part version, even though the 1821 fortepiano used doesn't have all the high notes, but some people find the continuo too obtrusive.

[MickyD]

Joking apart, I do have an HIPP recording of Olga Tverskaya doing Tchaikovsky's "Seasons" on an 1867 Erard....does anyone know if the composer used European pianos or if there was a famous Russian maker? Maybe Jos Van Immerseel is already scouring Moscow for such an instrument at this very moment.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

It's difficult to know with Tchaikovsky. The piano wasn't really his instrument, though he could play it reasonably well, if reports are correct.

[verismissimo]

Joking apart, I do have an HIPP recording of Olga Tverskaya doing Tchaikovsky's "Seasons" on an 1867 Erard....does anyone know if the composer used European pianos or if there was a famous Russian maker? Maybe Jos Van Immerseel is already scouring Moscow for such an instrument at this very moment.

Micky, Tchaikovsky's piano in his house in Klin is a Becker of 1885.

[vinteuil]

Micky, Tchaikovsky's piano in his house in Klin is a Becker of 1885.

"Jacob Becker went from Neustadt-an-der-Hardt, Germany, to St. Petersburg and established his business in 1841. Becker was an independent thinker and experimented with many innovations. His pianos, especially his concert grands, were excellent instruments, often used by leading virtuosos."

[ 'Pianos and their Makers' Alfred Dolge 1911 ]


- and :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmKx5VNgD0

[rkyburz]

One more to add to the list? I have
Andrej Hoteev, Vladimir Fedoseyev, Tchaikowsky Symphony Orchestra Moscow
in a complete recording with all four of Tchaikovsky's piano concerti ... haven't listened in quite a while, though, so no further comment. Not sure whether it's still available. It may not be HIPP, but the liner notes claim that it restores the original tempi / tempo relations, etc.

[MickyD]

Thank you, veris and vints for that clarification! And well done for finding that clip with Claire Chevallier, vints, fascinating stuff.

[Roehre]

One more to add to the list? I have
Andrej Hoteev, Vladimir Fedoseyev, Tchaikowsky Symphony Orchestra Moscow
in a complete recording with all four of Tchaikovsky's piano concerti ... haven't listened in quite a while, though, so no further comment. Not sure whether it's still available. It may not be HIPP, but the liner notes claim that it restores the original tempi / tempo relations, etc.

... and not to forget the original 3-mvt Fantasy op.56, in that version at least not the disfigured and incoherent piece as it is usually heard/recorded (and dismissed).

[rkyburz]

... and not to forget the original 3-mvt Fantasy op.56, in that version at least not the disfigured and incoherent piece as it is usually heard/recorded (and dismissed).

well, that's what they consider being the fourth piano concerto ... but they also include the Bohemian Melodies in f minor (1892) — all in the "unabridged original version"

[verismissimo]

Included in the Brilliant Tchaikovsky Edition (still very available), no less than five more recordings not in Alpie's list:

Janis, Minneapolis SO, Skrowaczewski
Oborin, USSR State TV and Radio O, Gauk
Gilels, USSR State SO, Kondrashin
Richter, Moscow PO, Kondrashin
Kissin, St Petersburg Academic SO, Gergiev

I've listened to them all. Enough already.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I'v added these and some others to the list.

[Roehre]

well, that's what they consider being the fourth piano concerto ... but they also include the Bohemian Melodies in f minor (1892) — all in the "unabridged original version"

...IF that's Tchaikovsky, of course (which I think it is, btw)

[Barbirollians]

Included in the Brilliant Tchaikovsky Edition (still very available), no less than five more recordings not in Alpie's list:

Janis, Minneapolis SO, Skrowaczewski
Oborin, USSR State TV and Radio O, Gauk
Gilels, USSR State SO, Kondrashin
Richter, Moscow PO, Kondrashin
Kissin, St Petersburg Academic SO, Gergiev

I've listened to them all. Enough already.

As I recall it you liked the Gilels ?

[Barbirollians]

Gilels/Mehta is definitely available it is in the 4CD Gilels box reissued last year . The Berman is available as an import coupled with his excellent Liszt Concertos with Giulini.