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  • DracoM
    Host
    • Mar 2007
    • 12994

    #46
    BAL and the BBC as custodians

    Following discussion elsewhere, inevitably raised by the last BAL, I am beginning to wonder if BAL is tacitly drawing a line under the 1990's and pretending that recording history started there for all practical purposes.

    Over the weeks more and more listeners are raising versions of pieces untouched by reviewers. Now, of course, the longer the legacy stretches, the near if not total impossibility of collating a meaningful programme on, say, Beethoven symphonies is well understood, but...............

    The history of recorded classical music now goes back well over a century, and in terms of R3 remit, we see the increasing need for a return of a regular CDM or Interpretations on Record as an urgent historical, cultural and educational resource.

    The BBC has a HUGE role to play as custodians of arguably the biggest recorded music archive in Europe if not wider. Unless they accept this custodianship, make it available regularly to presenters and archivists, and the BBC's own programme makers eg Jonathan Swain etc, then that archive has no currency apart from the predictably fragile memories of people and those with extensive back catalogues of 78's, LPs and tapes in private hands.

    How the musical heritage we now enjoy on record has evolved, the changing fashions and orchestral values and sounds etc [cf recent chat aout Russian brass of yesteryear and the homogenising of the sound of European orchestras] is as essential as books are to an evaluation of how a culture thinks of itself and its identity. I would like to urge the BBC to think very hard about its responsibility as curators and custodians in this field. At the moment, they seem to be re-defining what is 'relevant; and suggesting that the commercial imperatives of staying in bed with the industry's obsession with 'now' is more important than relating 'now' to context i.e. 'how did we get here?'

    I wonder if others have similar thoughts?

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    • Don Petter

      #47
      Well put. I would agree with your sentiments.

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20575

        #48
        I would agree too. On the one hand, it may be difficult to mention every recording ever made of a particular work, but on the other, to be so narrow-minded as to dismiss every non-HIPP and pre-1990 recording is unacceptable.

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        • verismissimo
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 2957

          #49
          Originally posted by DracoM View Post
          The BBC has a HUGE role to play as custodians of arguably the biggest recorded music archive in Europe if not wider.
          Sad to say, I believe the BBC got rid of most of its classical music archive several years ago.

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          • vinteuil
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 12955

            #50
            those seriously interested in this subject might wish to be aware of the work of CHARM -

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            • Roehre

              #51
              Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
              Sad to say, I believe the BBC got rid of most of its classical music archive several years ago.
              Verismissimo, why do you think so?

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              • ardcarp
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 11102

                #52
                Now, of course, the longer the legacy stretches, the near if not total impossibility of collating a meaningful programme on, say, Beethoven symphonies is well understood, but...............
                This could do an an occasional programme reviewing recordings still available but made [say] before 1975.

                Then they could show that...

                At the moment, they seem to be re-defining what is 'relevant; and suggesting that the commercial imperatives of staying in bed with the industry's obsession with 'now' is more important than relating 'now' to context i.e. 'how did we get here?'

                ...is not the case.

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30511

                  #53
                  BaL - Who's missing?

                  This is the list of recommendations to date.

                  Any suggestions for future programmes, in particular for missing composers?

                  Has Palestrina never figured? He seems to be a surprising omission, with Victoria and, perhaps only Josquin, Schütz and Monteverdi (several works) in that area of sacred choral music.

                  Masses: Assumpta est Maria & Papae Marcelli
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • vinteuil
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12955

                    #54
                    Couperin
                    Rameau!
                    Lully
                    Scarlatti
                    CPE Bach...

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20575

                      #55
                      It's a very interesting, but strange list. Looking up Elgar, it was all rather predictable. Yet the Tchaikovsky selection did not include the 4th or 6th symphonies, yet did include the Piano Trio.
                      No contemporary music at all, which is sad, though there do need to be several recordings of works in order to make a comparison.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30511

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                        No contemporary music at all, which is sad, though there do need to be several recordings of works in order to make a comparison.
                        Yes, the missing 'X' is immediately obvious! But there could a discussion of various works, and perhaps a couple of 'where to start' recommendations - the kind of thing that would answer some of the queries on this forum.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Pianorak
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3128

                          #57
                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          This is the list of recommendations to date. . .
                          Bless you, FF. Clicked on Albeniz and saw Orozco - and my heart sank. Been trying for ages to get hold of that recording. Guess what: it's back on amazon! Yippeeeeee!!! No prize for guessing who's just ordered it (credit card not amused - been overdoing it this month!).
                          My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12955

                            #58
                            Bach - Goldbergs, Keyb'd Partitas, Fr and Eng suites, Well-Tempered clavier...

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                            • aeolium
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3992

                              #59
                              No Weber at all - I would have thought Der Freischütz at least would have cropped up at some stage. And although not as serious as some omissions (Rameau's absence especially bad), it would be good to have something by Busoni, perhaps Doktor Faust or the Piano Concerto (not that many recordings of either).

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                              • Suffolkcoastal
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3293

                                #60
                                Keeping to my areas of special interest:

                                Vaughan Williams 5 & Walton 1 would be suggestions & I note no Holst either!

                                Copland has never featured (very surprised indeed), I'm surprised that the Barber Violin Concerto hasn't and there are certainly enough versions of Harris 3 nowadays for that to feature too! Can I present the Harris programme please?

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