Building a Library - General Discussion

[Ein Heldenleben]

The only reason that I can think of for having to have live comments is if some circumstances change at short notice. For example, if a CD is due for release on a certain date, but the date changes, or some other significant event occurs in music or with musicians. However, with modern technology, even that should be fixable, with suitable hardware, software and a flexible team of workers who know what they're doing.

What might have seemed like "rocket science" 40 years ago, should be simple nowadays.

The reason I suspect is live is cheaper . Recording means retakes and then editing ...and inevitable french polishing. I know playing in a short clip of music sounds easy but the clip needs edging in and fading out .If you do it live you only have one go ...if you record you can fanny about endlessly. If you have some way of controlling music levels on your PC have a go at 'artistically ' fading in and out seventeen clips of the Mozart Clarinet quintet (something I did 40 years ago ) four of which are the identical 8 bars . Its surprisingly time consuming.One tip where possible the idea is to fade to the end of a phrase --its incredibly easy to just get a stray note of the next one!

Happy days - though I think it was recorded in fact

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9.05: Record Review

with Paul Vaughan Building a Library:
Brahms's Clarinet Quintet by EDWARD GREENFIELD.
New records of songs reviewed by ALAN BLYTH. DAVID MURRAY On recent piano releases.
Producer ANTHONY CHEEVERS
Contributors
Unknown: Paul Vaughan
Unknown: Edward Greenfield.
Reviewed By: Alan Blyth.
Reviewed By: David Murray
Producer: Anthony Cheevers

[Nick Armstrong]

...you can fanny about endlessly.

I love the technical talk on the Forum...

[Ein Heldenleben]

I love the technical talk on the Forum...

I was censoring myself - the real 'technical' terms are not for this always polite forum...
Looking at those names - what a lovely voice Paul Vaughan had ...

[gurnemanz]

It was thought the 'strain' of presenting each lunchtime concert from Wigmore Hall during the week was too much of a work load.

His impending unavailabilty on Wigmore duty may well have been a reason for not even attempting to put any new BaLs together. Then it will be its summer break ...

[Nick Armstrong]

I was censoring myself - the real 'technical' terms are not for this always polite forum...
Looking at those names - what a lovely voice Paul Vaughan had ...

[Ein Heldenleben]

all this has sent me on a nostalgic trip through Radio 3's schedule for that week in 1985 on Genome. At the risk of going off topic things were VERY different then...

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/radio3/1985-02-16

lets start the day with some calculus ...and some real musical (and broadcasting ) greats...

[Dave2002]

The reason I suspect is live is cheaper . Recording means retakes and then editing ...and inevitable french polishing. I know playing in a short clip of music sounds easy but the clip needs edging in and fading out .If you do it live you only have one go ...if you record you can fanny about endlessly. If you have some way of controlling music levels on your PC have a go at 'artistically ' fading in and out seventeen clips of the Mozart Clarinet quintet (something I did 40 years ago ) four of which are the identical 8 bars . Its surprisingly time consuming.One tip where possible the idea is to fade to the end of a phrase --its incredibly easy to just get a stray note of the next one!

I agree about some of this, but I doubt that live really is cheaper. Also, I wasn't advocating having the whole programme live - I really was suggesting recording all of it, but perhaps with one or two cue points to put in announcements which might slip in. In any case I think the BBC can always do that for really important things.

So many people are doing podcasting these days that the technical skills to do this kind of thing are probably well known to a lot of our society, and people who do music and speech work are likely to be more than able to do it. We're not talking about using tape, and sticky tape and spinning discs in the gaps - things have moved on.

[Ein Heldenleben]

I agree about some of this, but I doubt that live really is cheaper. Also, I wasn't advocating having the whole programme live - I really was suggesting recording all of it, but perhaps with one or two cue points to put in announcements which might slip in. In any case I think the BBC can always do that for really important things.

So many people are doing podcasting these days that the technical skills to do this kind of thing are probably well known to a lot of our society, and people who do music and speech work are likely to be more than able to do it. We're not talking about using tape, and sticky tape and spinning discs in the gaps - things have moved on.

...and , IMHO, backwards. You'll never get a computer to replace splicing tape , razor blades and Ted Greenfield lad....
(Cue largo from New World Symphony)

[zola]

His impending unavailabilty on Wigmore duty may well have been a reason for not even attempting to put any new BaLs together. Then it will be its summer break ...

Martin Handley's doing Wigmore this coming week, so AMcG back on Record Review next Saturday with a BAL repeat.

[Nick Armstrong]

Martin Handley's doing Wigmore this coming week, so AMcG back on Record Review next Saturday with a BAL repeat.

Got to say, I’m glad they’ve put the A team on the Wigmore season!

Hopefully Service, Alker et al live too far away ...

[teamsaint]

all this has sent me on a nostalgic trip through Radio 3's schedule for that week in 1985 on Genome. At the risk of going off topic things were VERY different then...

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/radio3/1985-02-16

lets start the day with some calculus ...and some real musical (and broadcasting ) greats...

Starting the day with some calculus would work better for many of us , commuters for example, if we had an integrated transport system......

[hmvman]

...and , IMHO, backwards. You'll never get a computer to replace splicing tape , razor blades and Ted Greenfield lad....
(Cue largo from New World Symphony)

On my video editing application, when you want to split a clip you press B and the cursor changes to a razor blade shape. There's something quite satisfying about this...

...there isn't a splicing tape icon though....

[Ein Heldenleben]

On my video editing application, when you want to split a clip you press B and the cursor changes to a razor blade shape. There's something quite satisfying about this...

...there isn't a splicing tape icon though....

In the days of film editing there was very little more satisfying than clunking down on a film joiner. Innocent pleasures all gone...
Though I would not go back to that : film editing took for ever....

[hmvman]

In the days of film editing there was very little more satisfying than clunking down on a film joiner. Innocent pleasures all gone...
Though I would not go back to that : film editing took for ever....

Indeed. I do sometimes need to repair films, 8 and 16mm so the joys of the film joiner are not quite gone completely. Back in the '80s when I was on a video production course, one of the tutors told us that in the early days of reel-to-reel video tape he'd edited a football match by cutting and splicing the tape. Apparently that took for ever plus a bit!

Sorry, getting a bit off-topic now..

[DracoM]

Hannah French's way, way OTT advert-style selling of the CDs in tonight's Record Review Extra was exhausting and without a semblance of critical distance.
Bursting to be AMcG's successor?

Crikey.