BaL 26.04.14 - Haydn Symphony no. 101 "Clock"

[LaurieWatt]

My first recording was Monteux and the VPO, paired with the Suprise. I still love it.

I love that one, too, Richard. He divides his first and second violins in both symphonies as well which was less fashionable in those days. This thread seems to have got a bit distracted from this particular symphony and preferences out the huge list we started with....!?

[Roehre]

..... If W.A.M had lived to Haydn's lifespan, it is staggering to think of the disparity that would have emerged between the two Composers.

And as a consequence too it would have been Mozart and Beethoven going head to head, as pianists as well as composers

Do we need to further appreciation of Haydn by comparing him to WAM? They were both Creative Giants. Vive le difference!

[kea]

One more for the list, which I think is still available (and which I rather like), is Marc Minkowski and Les Musiciens du Louvre, although you have to buy all 12 London Symphonies if you want the CD, rather than a download.

This gets a from me, but then I like almost everything Minkowski has done.

As for Haydn vs Mozart... no one can match Haydn for inventiveness, drama, wit and storytelling; no one can match Mozart for power, depth of feeling and characterisation. Haydn never wrote anything like K516, K563 or K595 (or tried to), and Mozart never wrote anything like the 46th or 68th or 86th Symphonies (or tried to). What I'm sure we all can agree on is that between the two of them there are more masterpieces than were written during the entire Romantic era

And as a consequence too it would have been Mozart and Beethoven going head to head, as pianists as well as composers

I am not sure there would have been a Beethoven had Mozart lived to 1833, any more than there would have been a Schumann, Brahms or Wagner had Schubert lived to 1874. They would likely attract as much attention as a Dittersdorf or Reinecke does today by comparison.

[mikealdren]

My sentiments too, but I have always listened to more Haydn than Mozart for some reason.

Perhaps because there's so much more of it?
Mike

[Thropplenoggin]

Delighted the OT police have not intervened and allowed this thread to wander into pastures divers and engaging.

[vinteuil]

... of course we need both. I go to Mozart for the operas, the piano concertos, the quintets, the works with clarinet ( and a lot more besides). I go to Haydn for the piano sonatas, the piano trios, the quartets, the symphonies, the Masses ( and a lot more besides). If there were a gun to my head before being sent orf to the desert isle - well, it would be Haydn.

[Thropplenoggin]

Perhaps we should let Haydn have the last word on Mozart:

'Before God and as an honest man I tell you that your son is the greatest composer known to me either in person or by name; he has taste, and, furthermore, the most profound knowledge of composition.'

I'm assuming he knew himself both in person and name

[vinteuil]

Perhaps we should let Haydn have the last word on Mozart...

... no, I don't think we should...




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[cloughie]

Perhaps we should let Haydn have the last word on Mozart:

I think we're 200+ years too late for that! I've wondered whether we'd have had 1004 Haydn Symphonies had he had access to Sibelius (The Programme not the Composer).

[Thropplenoggin]

... no, I don't think we should...




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Last edited by vinteuil; Today at 16:01.

Alas, no improvement on your risible attempt at a pithy response.

[Thropplenoggin]

I think we're 200+ years too late for that! I've wondered whether we'd have had 1004 Haydn Symphonies had he had access to Sibelius (The Programme not the Composer).

Yes. They would have become as interchangeable as Glassworks...'Symphony as algorithm. Discuss.'

[pastoralguy]

I've always found it very moving that, on their last meeting, Haydn expressed his sadness that they would probably never see each other again. Haydn simply assumed that, since he was older than Mozart, he would die first. However, fate had another outcome planned.

[waldo]

I've always found it very moving that, on their last meeting, Haydn expressed his sadness that they would probably never see each other again. Haydn simply assumed that, since he was older than Mozart, he would die first. However, fate had another outcome planned.

If only Haydn's later years could have been redistributed to other composers.........five to Mozart, five to Schubert, five to Chopin.........

.......but as you say, fate had another outcome planned: more symphonies from Papa H.

[pastoralguy]

If only Haydn's later years could have been redistributed to other composers.........five to Mozart, five to Schubert, five to Chopin.........

.......but as you say, fate had another outcome planned: more Haydn symphonies.

Or, better still, earlier discovery of antibiotics!!

[pastoralguy]

Maybe throw in some inner ear surgery as well...