BaL 22.03.14 - Mozart's Coronation Mass

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20572

    #31
    Hmm. Very little "risk" here. It's so obviously prescripted.

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    • johnn10
      Full Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 88

      #32
      not very illuminating so far

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Returning to the subject the only point to a 'live discussion' (or probably 'live anything else') is the element of risk, that anything could happen. If it turns out to be 'predictable' it loses its point - as far as an audience is concerned.

      And by 'anything can happen' and 'risky' I refer to the content not the technology. But we shall see.
      Well, the first few minutes have been more pedantic than illuminating. Hope it gets more useful to the general listener later. more tl

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      • amateur51

        #33
        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        Hmm. Very little "risk" here. It's so obviously prescripted.
        Not 'prescripted', surely just scripted

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        • Bryn
          Banned
          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          #34
          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          You and I could end up being tied to the same stake by the Nouveau Music Establishment.
          Well quite. Every schoolboy knows that Mozart was a rank amateur who had no idea what the forces he had available, and wrote for, would sound like, and probably didn't care either.

          Big arrangements of Mozart's music can but very musical, it's true, but if picking a recording for Building a Library, I would prefer something closer to what the composer might have expected to get out of the performers of his time. The survey seems to be going very well, so far.

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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            • Nov 2010
            • 20572

            #35
            Er no... Not arrangements. The same scores exactly.

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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              • Nov 2010
              • 20572

              #36
              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
              Not 'prescripted', surely just scripted
              Sorry, yes.

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #37
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                Er no... Not arrangements. The same scores exactly.
                No, you have clearly not been listening.

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                • verismissimo
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 2957

                  #38
                  Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                  Not 'prescripted', surely just scripted
                  It doesn't at all sound scripted to me, just thoroughly prepared.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    You and I could end up being tied to the same stake by the Nouveau Music Establishment.
                    Oxygen for Alpie, please - he's been in the refined Alpine heights too long (well, Mr Maaaaaaazel's "priviledged" tempi can have that effect) and he's off about his favoured imaginary "establishment" again.
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • Bryn
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 24688

                      #40
                      The Davis "not available except as a download"? It's certainly easily obtainable new from amazon.co.uk, and at a very low price if you are happy to make do with "Used: Good" condition.



                      I already have it, so have just ordered the Pinnock.

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                      • Karafan
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 786

                        #41
                        What 'won' please?
                        "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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                        • edashtav
                          Full Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 3671

                          #42
                          A marvellous BAL: I felt the dialogue worked, the discussion of staccatos versus wedges was important and the eventual outcome, a virtual tie between Colin Davis ( Herr Allegretto) and Trevor Pinnock was right. I'm sure that Jeremy Summerly is right to listen "blind" to the issues. I loved his "in a nutshell" characterisation CD being "in the orchestra" and Pinnock "in the score". Thank you.
                          Last edited by edashtav; 22-03-14, 10:35.

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                          • DracoM
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                            • Mar 2007
                            • 12986

                            #43
                            Blimey! I must be totally out of step.

                            What a flustered, gibbering, frantic bit of chaos that was! Ragging and joking, and Summerley rambles at times.
                            I want my CD BAL review considered and focused and analytic. That was none of them.
                            Big mistake IMO to have it live.

                            Pinnock yes - liked the destination, but the journey was bumpy.

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                            • BBMmk2
                              Late Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20908

                              #44
                              True, there was none of that DracoM, but I wish there was, because I think, usually JS, has a rather good analytical mind, usually.
                              Don’t cry for me
                              I go where music was born

                              J S Bach 1685-1750

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                              • DracoM
                                Host
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 12986

                                #45
                                Exactly!! He is one of the reviewers to whom I most listen with both interest and respect, but today he sounded like a cheerfully bumbling amateur, his pockets full of crucial notes he was pushed to find in the heat of the moment.

                                Gah!

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