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  • Pianorak
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3127

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    ... sadly I couldn't recommend this set - even if it were given away free. . . .
    Thanks, vinteuil. I wasn't going to get it anyway, but just saw the price and thought: Never mind the quality - feel the width!
    My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      An alternative view of the Lester Scarlatti discs, and one which I have good reason to respect:

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      • vinteuil
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 12765

        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        An alternative view of the Lester Scarlatti discs, and one which I have good reason to respect:

        http://www.musicweb-international.co...ol3_NI1727.htm
        ... well, Mark liked them! For me they were ponderous, careful and yet approximate, 'studied' (and not in a good way),no brio, with no élan or sprezzatura, unsympathetically recorded, both leaden and wooden, - as I say - no joy...

        I would usually say - for Scarlatti, harpsichord rather than piano anytime : here I wd say - any of the piano versions I mentioned above rather than the laborious Lester going through these on the harpsichord.

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        • Pianorak
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 3127

          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          An alternative view of the Lester Scarlatti discs, and one which I have good reason to respect:

          http://www.musicweb-international.co...ol3_NI1727.htm
          It's the Nimbus label and not Richard Lester which put me off. There is a 7 CD set of Cherkassky, all recorded at Nimbus Records, Wyastone Leys, with rather poor acoustics. Not sure if that is the correct technical term I'm looking for.
          Bryn, would you say the Lester set doesn't suffer from that defect.

          Ah - just seen vinteuil's "unsympathetically recorded".
          My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            The 'Nimbus sound' does not suit those more familiar with the close microphone productions favoured by many recording companies. I find no particular problem with the Nimbus attempts to capture the natural acoustics of the venue using a soundfield array. I have yet to hear the Lester recordings. As indicated, I was guided in my decision to order the set by Mark's enthusiastic review of some of the discs represented in the set.

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            • Pianorak
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3127

              Thanks, Bryn. So there is a "Nimbus sound" - and it obviously doesn't suit me. Even so I'll be interested to hear your assessment of the Lester recordings.
              My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                Thanks, Bryn. So there is a "Nimbus sound" - and it obviously doesn't suit me. Even so I'll be interested to hear your assessment of the Lester recordings.
                Indeed there is a 'Nimbus sound' (not to be confused with the table tennis version). It is, perhaps, best experienced today via one of their few DVD-A releases, e.g.:



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                • ostuni
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 548

                  It's worth noting, though, that the Lester Scarlatti recordings aren't recorded at Nimbus's Wyastone headquarters, and neither is Raymond Fenton (engineer for the series) a Nimbus man.

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                  • Pianorak
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3127

                    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                    An Ambisonic decoder is required to experience such recordings in their truest, surround-sound, form. These have never been widely available, so Nimbus recordings are typically experienced as undecoded UHJ which is compatible with normal stereo reproduction.

                    Maybe I shouldn't blame Nimbus but the (probable) lack of an Ambisonic decoder in my ancient 1979 Teleton system.
                    My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                    • Bryn
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 24688

                      Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                      An Ambisonic decoder is required to experience such recordings in their truest, surround-sound, form. These have never been widely available, so Nimbus recordings are typically experienced as undecoded UHJ which is compatible with normal stereo reproduction.

                      Maybe I shouldn't blame Nimbus but the (probable) lack of an Ambisonic decoder in my ancient 1979 Teleton system.
                      The DVD-A transfers are pretty good, though they are few in number. I grabbed a few in a sale a year or so ago. The same discs may be found for around £7.50 each for the rest of the day at http://www.europadisc.co.uk/search/e...sc_results.htm . Scroll down the page linked to.

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                      • johnb
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 2903

                        Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                        There is a 7 CD set of Cherkassky, all recorded at Nimbus Records, Wyastone Leys, with rather poor acoustics. Not sure if that is the correct technical term I'm looking for.
                        I have the Cherkassky set and find the piano sound bearable but not too my taste.

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                        • Pianorak
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3127

                          Originally posted by johnb View Post
                          I have the Cherkassky set and find the piano sound bearable but not too my taste.
                          Yes, I agree.

                          Selections: Piano Concertos - The Ultimate Collection
                          A wide range of Gardening, home accessories, wildlife and bird care products, outdoor leisure and games.


                          Lots of duplication for me - but at that price I couldn't resist.
                          Last edited by Pianorak; 14-11-12, 22:50.
                          My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                          • cloughie
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22110

                            Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                            Yes, I agree.

                            Selections: Piano Concertos - The Ultimate Collection
                            A wide range of Gardening, home accessories, wildlife and bird care products, outdoor leisure and games.


                            Lots of duplication for me - but at that price I couldn't resist.
                            The Brendel Box in the same ad looks even more attractive. £35 CDs for £32.

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                            • Dave2002
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 18008

                              Not sure about these two:

                              1. Glenn Gould box set - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Glenn-Gould-...t_mus_ep_dpi_5

                              2. Eternel Maurice André - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eternel-Maur...3218362&sr=8-1

                              The Gould Bach set has 44 CDs and can be obtained for a tad over £60.
                              The André box has 13 CDs and is around £23.

                              Does one really want so much by either artist? That's for you to decide!

                              3. There's also this curious collection of seemingly randomly selcted pieces by seemingly randomly selected artists - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Classique-Di...3220706&sr=1-2 Can be obtained for about £30 - but presumably UK buyers should avoid the US sellers to avert having to pay duty to HMRC. 25 CDs - random - about £1.20 each depending on supplier.
                              Last edited by Dave2002; 18-11-12, 06:49.

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                              • Madame Suggia
                                Full Member
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 189

                                The Klemperer EMI box set of romantic symphonies is on amazon at £2.26

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