Karajan fans in this work shouldn't forget his last recording of the piece (in 1987) with the Vienna Philharmonic. Haven't heard it in ages but no doubt it will be in the Karajan 1980s box hopefully out next summer (?). In the meantime...
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Oh yes! The Karajan 80's set is on my 2014 Christmas list...Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
The Karajan Wagner is a real charity shop disc! I must have 3 copies at least!
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Who hardly were performed or even not at all at that time. Old hat.Originally posted by akiralx View Post
Beethoven, Mozart and Haydn were the guys to go for, and at that time Mozart was already a dead white male and Haydn composing the oratorios which eventually would finish him physically off.
It was generally contemporary music then which was played and listenend to, hardly anything else.
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I blame Mendelssohn - he started off this fashion for old music with his love of Bach .Originally posted by Roehre View PostWho hardly were performed or even not at all at that time. Old hat.
Beethoven, Mozart and Haydn were the guys to go for, and at that time Mozart was already a dead white male and Haydn composing the oratorios which eventually would finish him physically off.
It was generally contemporary music then which was played and listenend to, hardly anything else.Comment
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Its a wonderful piece and I don't think I've ever heard a performance that I disliked but the only one I own is coupled with the Bruckner seventh symphony. The Philharmonia's reduced forces are conducted by Dr Klemperer.Comment
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This is a piece that is played so often on the radio that I never feel the need to own a recording. The only one I have is the Academy of St. Martins conducted by Marriner on an old Argo LP, but I bought it for the performance of Strauss'es 'Metamorphosen' on the other side.Comment
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Likewise, I've conducted a few performances; it seems to 'go' very well. The early editions (Schott and early Breitkopf) have no rehearsal cues or bar numbers - great fun if the librarian has ordered a brand new set from - say - Kalmus, who sell photocopies of out-of-copyright material.Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
As to recordings, I know Walter/Columbia SO better than most, so I suspect I'd go for that.
Happy New Year.Comment
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And to you, too, Pabs - hope the weather-originating problems are well on their way to being sorted out.Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
I don't remember any problems with bar numbers - but bowing (ie strings, not accepting applause) took up an evening's rehearsal as Wagner marks phrasing but not individual bow changes. One of the pleasures of working with amateurs/students is that they have the time to (and quite enjoy) experimenting with different ideas.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]Comment
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Ive never been able to fully enjoy the Siegfried Idyll as all i hear is how Mahler turned that melody into something greater in the 2nd Symphony. Maybe one day i'll stop hearing the association.Comment
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I concur. I was surprised to see that I don't own a recording of it, as I have heard it so often through the years.Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
Pabmusic mentioned the Walter recording. My roommate in college owned that and I haven't really gotten to know any other.Comment
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Which melody are you referring to? There are several, none of which I've heard in Mahler 2. And what does turning it into something greater mean, anyway, given that Wagner himself had borrowed all the melodies from Siegfried?Originally posted by BeethovensQuill View PostComment
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What to me would be the main theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=891JUSQplzU the one that starts at 1:58 through to 2:11. In Mahler's 2nd he slows down the theme and extends the high note before coming back down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Px44IuVKM i picked out the section from 5:50 to 6:01 the theme on the Horn. It turns up in various places in Mahler's 2nd. Whereas Wagner starts with a B minum tied to a B quaver then down to E with a quaver followed by a triplet to a crotchet and down to a minum, Mahler uses crotchets but his ascent starts with an extra note before reaching the highest note on a dotted minum before coming down to a crotchet.
What i meant by turning it into something greater was that im sure Mahler new the piece but he could hear that it could transformed into something that brings out the beauty of it a bit more rather rushing through with those triplets. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As i heard the Mahler first whenever i heard the Wagner theme my mind would just hear a rushed version of the Mahler theme and i couldnt shake the association.
Its like when i listen to the 3rd movement of Mozart's 39th Symphony all i hear is the bit in the Eroica that Beethoven expanded upon, its obvious he new this symphony and even borrowed little bits in that movement for the 1st movement of the Eroica.Comment
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As BQ acknowledges, it means 'presenting an opinion, or personal experience of something, as if it were a universally applicable fact'.Originally posted by RichardWagner View PostComment
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Happy New Year to you too Pabs - very pleased to read that Life is slowly getting back to 'normal'Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
I'm intermittently doing doing some Spring cleaning here
Sadly it appears to be for Spring 2012!
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