Best Grieg/Schumann recording?

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  • Sir Monty Golfear

    #76
    Originally posted by Gordon View Post
    Yes, I'm nor surprised!! The mount of power needed for moving coil stereo cutting heads is large and those early ones had massive magnets suspended from the ceiling!! Decca [I think] had a hand in inventing half speed mastering way back then to try and deal with this problem. I think EMI's Blumlein cutter from 1933 used moving coil cutters which are low impedance and would have needed a lot of current to drive the cutting tool and also a large magnet to give a strong field. Try and make that lot linear and resonance free over a wide frequency range!!

    Mono cutters first used in the 1920s were made by Westrex but mechanically damped and Bumlein got around their patents with electrical damping and saved EMI a fortune in royalties. Westrex tried the same trick with stereo -- but see below:

    Try this for some more info on Decca Stereo:



    or here



    But beware this one [despite the author's connections with Decca] has a couple of small errors relating to the role Decca [ie Arthur Haddy Chief Engineer] had in standardisation of stereo in 1958. Apparently Westrex who are credited [even today, in the US, RCA had no excuse because they were partners of EMI in the 30s] as having invented the stereo LP disc had no idea that EMI/Blumlein had patented the system that was adopted in 1933 and were trying to bully the industry into large royalties but Haddy showed them a copy of the patent!!



    Solomon's record of the Grieg was made at Abbey Road in September '56 so was relatively early [18 months after their first release] but there are many from that era that have impressive stereo sound, at least in the original tapes. Try Giulini's Firebird from Kingsway also '56.
    Fascinating! What a great thread . This is what is great about the Internet. Thanks , Ian

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    • amateur51

      #77
      I used to have several recordings on LP of Grieg's piano concerto played by his great friend Percy Grainger. They were great fun and I loved them dearly.

      The only one I can find currently is this one, a live performance conducted by Stokowski



      Some great individual touches - it's available to listen to on Spotify

      spotify:album:4QLUlJpjr7Fr3UZ9ulqhnS

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      • Barbirollians
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        • Nov 2010
        • 11682

        #78
        To my shame I find I have the Andsnes version . I do not really remember buying it let alone listening to it . I am a great admirer of his work generally so must give it a spin.

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        • Sir Monty Golfear

          #79
          I have just found the Solomon , Greig / Schumann Piano concertos on itunes as a download. £5.99 for the album .

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          • Barbirollians
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            • Nov 2010
            • 11682

            #80
            Splendid performances and they are also on Testament with his recording if Liszt's Hungarian Fantasia

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            • Sir Monty Golfear

              #81
              A bit late in the day but have you tried Havard Gimse / Royal Scottish National Orchestra / Bjarte Engeset playing the Grieg on Naxos ?.....I find it is a very listenable account.

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              • Barbirollians
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                • Nov 2010
                • 11682

                #82
                I have just realised I had the Perahia /Davis set on cassette but as I have not listened to a cassette for about 10 years I had forgotten it . Played it this morning on the cassette player on the kitchen mini hifi . Two absolutely textbook performances . The Grieg utterly full of poetry in a way that wholly escaped the young pianist in YMOTY to my ears and the Schumann is a particular joy from start to finish every note just sounds right.

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                • Barbirollians
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11682

                  #83
                  On a minor Lupu spree after being so delighted by his recording of the Impromptus I have finally caught up cheaply thanks to the tax dodgers with his recording of this coupling with Preview.

                  The Schumann is quite stunningly beautiful . The Grieg not the most barnstorming but lots of compensations with such lovely quiet playing and such clear articulation in the forte passages - superbly accompanied too with some delightful woodwind playing in particular.

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                  • richardfinegold
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                    • Sep 2012
                    • 7666

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                    On a minor Lupu spree after being so delighted by his recording of the Impromptus I have finally caught up cheaply thanks to the tax dodgers with his recording of this coupling with Preview.

                    The Schumann is quite stunningly beautiful . The Grieg not the most barnstorming but lots of compensations with such lovely quiet playing and such clear articulation in the forte passages - superbly accompanied too with some delightful woodwind playing in particular.
                    I have that. It's my favorite Schumann, along with Bergland/Ogdon and Serkin/Ormandy. Lupu was stunning in Brahms late piano works.

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                    • Sir Velo
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                      • Oct 2012
                      • 3227

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                      On a minor Lupu spree after being so delighted by his recording of the Impromptus I have finally caught up cheaply thanks to the tax dodgers with his recording of this coupling with Preview.
                      No moral qualms then about adding to the tax dodgers' coffers for you then Barbs?

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                      • visualnickmos
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3610

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                        No moral qualms then about adding to the tax dodgers' coffers for you then Barbs?
                        It is not for us to do the government's job for them......

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                        • Tony Halstead
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1717

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                          On a minor Lupu spree after being so delighted by his recording of the Impromptus I have finally caught up cheaply thanks to the tax dodgers with his recording of this coupling with Preview.

                          The Schumann is quite stunningly beautiful . The Grieg not the most barnstorming but lots of compensations with such lovely quiet playing and such clear articulation in the forte passages - superbly accompanied too with some delightful woodwind playing in particular.
                          Who on earth wants 'barnstorming' Grieg anyway?
                          I had the great pleasure of playing on that Lupu / Previn / LSO recording ( sadly not in the Schumann, though) and I well remember the quite extraordinarily beautiful but clear sound that Lupu coaxed from the ( Steinway?) piano.
                          I don't think I have ever heard any other pianist play those meltingly lovely 2 bars just before letter E in the 3rd movement with quite such imaginative freedom, but still somehow preserving the logic of the '4 against 3' displacement.
                          Last edited by Tony Halstead; 04-07-14, 09:15. Reason: typo

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                          • Ferretfancy
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3487

                            #88
                            Could I put in a word for the Solomon version of both concertos with the Philharmonia and Menges? It was one of only two recordings he made in stereo before the stroke which ended his career. Apparently he had difficulties during the sessions, but the playing is still as perceptive as you would expect. I have recordings by Kovacevich, Perahia, and others, but I still have a great affection for Solomon.

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                            • Barbirollians
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11682

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Tony View Post
                              Who on earth wants 'barnstorming' Grieg anyway?
                              I had the great pleasure of playing on that Lupu / Previn / LSO recording ( sadly not in the Schumann, though) and I well remember the quite extraordinarily beautiful but clear sound that Lupu coaxed from the ( Steinway?) piano.
                              I don't think I have ever heard any other pianist play those meltingly lovely 2 bars just before letter E in the 3rd movement with quite such imaginative freedom, but still somehow preserving the logic of the '4 against 3' displacement.
                              Ah well the BBC Legends Michelangeli is pretty barnstorming and absolutely electric .

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                              • richardfinegold
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                                • Sep 2012
                                • 7666

                                #90
                                I learned from this thread that Earl Wild recorded Pictures At An Exhibition and duly ordered it.
                                My favorite Schumann PCs are Ogdon/Bergland and Serkin/Ormandy .

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