A fantastic new Tale by Julian Lloyd Webber!!!

[cocolinmichela]

The violin concerto is quite magnificent - when played by the late Ralph Holmes on Unicorn - now on Heritage.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Delius-Colle...ius+collection

Ok, ok, will give it another try! Thanks for the link!

[Dave2002]

The violin concerto is quite magnificent - when played by the late Ralph Holmes on Unicorn - now on Heritage.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Delius-Colle...ius+collection

I have that on now. Earlier I played Tasmin Little's Decca/Universal version. Holmes has less of a forced vibrato - very natural sounding playing. Dreamy stuff.

[cocolinmichela]

That's the first time i've heard of Delius described as not "melodic music " ????? bizarre ears

Chromatic harmonic, not quite melodic.

[MrGongGong]

Chromatic harmonic, not quite melodic.

So you don't think that "Chromatic" music can be "melodic" ?

[cocolinmichela]

So you don't think that "Chromatic" music can be "melodic" ?

In the case of Delius is more chromatic harmony.
From Wiki: "Chromatic harmony means harmony (chords) which use notes which do not belong to the key the music is in (they are not in the key signature)".
Yes, his music can be melodic (and lyrical), but the melodic music I was referring to was the one within wich you can distinguish a tune. Just listening to his sonata for cello in one movement. Can you listen to a piece by Delius and easily remember/hum a tune?? With Mozart you can! I know I'll get attacked here, but to me his music is a "minestrone" of tunes, nice in itself, but you can't distinguish the ingredients!

[Barbirollians]

I have that on now. Earlier I played Tasmin Little's Decca/Universal version. Holmes has less of a forced vibrato - very natural sounding playing. Dreamy stuff.

Exactly - I have a very vivid memory of when I first bought this recording . On cassette and I took it on a holiday to Provence in spring just before I did my A Levels - walking along the main promenade in Aix with this on my Walkman - dreamy indeed.

[Richard Tarleton]

The violin concerto is quite magnificent - when played by the late Ralph Holmes on Unicorn - now on Heritage.

I attended a lecture on Delius by Eric Fenby, Ralph Holmes had somehow been roped in to play illustrations. Poor RH showed great self restraint in not walking out or smashing his violin over Fenby's head, he was such an annoying and humourless old git. It was the second of Fenby's Delius gigs I'd attended: the first, in Exeter Cathedral (circa 1970) was interrupted by a drunk who wandered in, much the most entertaining part of it.

[MrGongGong]

In the case of Delius is more chromatic harmony.
From Wiki: "Chromatic harmony means harmony (chords) which use notes which do not belong to the key the music is in (they are not in the key signature)".
Yes, his music can be melodic (and lyrical), but the melodic music I was referring to was the one within wich you can distinguish a tune. Just listening to his sonata for cello in one movement. Can you listen to a piece by Delius and easily remember/hum a tune?? With Mozart you can! I know I'll get attacked here, but to me his music is a "minestrone" of tunes, nice in itself, but you can't distinguish the ingredients!

errm I don't share your listening strategy
(is probably the easiest way of putting it !)

I find Webern very "tuneful"
and don't really find Mozart complex in the way you describe (which IS not a value judgement)

[cocolinmichela]

errm I don't share your listening strategy
(is probably the easiest way of putting it !)

I find Webern very "tuneful"

I don't know, as a newcomer i am not finding this thread very useful, with all respect.
I started a thread about a new recording I was interested in discussing and in finding out what people thought about it, but we've discussed all sorts of things apart from that! What did we have 1% or replies about "A Tale"? Maybe??
It's fine to discuss all sorts of music styles, interpreters, performers, recordings, etc.. but then that should be a thread like "all sorts of stuff', 'miscellaneous" or something like that.
End of rant.

[MrGongGong]

But you are asking lots of people who might not be very keen on the particular musician in question to buy a CD of music then enter into a discussion ?
Maybe it would be more productive to have a discussion about a broadcast ? or even a Youtube clip ?

I'm sure lots of people will buy this CD
but (and I might be wrong ?) maybe this isn't the place where you are likely to find a large number of them ?
There are some really interesting things in the links in this thread so thanks for starting it

[Richard Tarleton]

Yes, his music can be melodic (and lyrical), but the melodic music I was referring to was the one within wich you can distinguish a tune. Just listening to his sonata for cello in one movement. Can you listen to a piece by Delius and easily remember/hum a tune?? With Mozart you can! I know I'll get attacked here, but to me his music is a "minestrone" of tunes, nice in itself, but you can't distinguish the ingredients!

Well I'm right behind you coco, (well, a safe distance behind, anyway ), I tried with Delius (see above) but find it the musical equivalent of nailing custard to the wall. That might deflect some of the fire from you

[cocolinmichela]

But you are asking lots of people who might not be very keen on the particular musician in question to buy a CD of music then enter into a discussion ?
Maybe it would be more productive to have a discussion about a broadcast ? or even a Youtube clip ?

I'm sure lots of people will buy this CD
but (and I might be wrong ?) maybe this isn't the place where you are likely to find a large number of them ?
There are some really interesting things in the links in this thread so thanks for starting it

I am not asking anyone not keen on the musician in question to buy the CD, I am asking those that have bought it to say what they think. I wonder why those that are not keen on the musician in question or his CD replied my original post in the first place?! As the musician in question appeared on BBC Radio 3 earlier today playing live pieces from the CD in question, I thought that the BBC Radio 3 forum would be the right place to discuss this but perhaps you are right, it isn't.

[Tony Halstead]

Ok, ok, will give it another try! Thanks for the link!

When you do 'give it another try' may I suggest that you listen to some older recordings as well as the magnificent Ralph Holmes one:
such as
1) Albert Sammons with the Royal ( maybe not 'Royal' then) Liverpool Phil and Malcolm Sargent, recorded on 78s maybe in the late 1940s.
2) Jean Pougnet ( my personal favouriite 'pre-Holmes') with the RPO & Thomas Beecham, early 1950s?
Both of these superb, historic recordings are available on CD from time to time.

'Sitting in the audience' I have been lucky enough to hear this marvellous work twice 'live' : 1stly by the Halle leader Laurence Turner with the Halle in the early 1960s, and secondly in an unforgettable performance by Peter Mountain with the RLPO and Sir Charles Groves in the mid 1960s.

Deryck Cooke's essay on the Delius violin concerto in his book 'Vindications' is required reading for all 'Delians'.

[Bryn]

I am not a particular fan of Mr. Lloyd Webber's playing, but this thread has acted as a fillip to my ordering a trio of bargain priced CDs featuring him playing works that look interesting to me. I must give his recording of Gavin Bryars' 'Farewell to Philosophy' another spin some time. I usually skip it a go straight to 'One Last Bar, then Joe can Sing'.

[teamsaint]

I wouldn't get too hung up on ithe contenets of the thread, Coco.

Its a good thread. Lots of interesting and informative stuff, a bit of Banter. I might even try the Delius violin Concerto. Enjoy the ride. Tends to be more fun if you don't know where you are going.

Personally, I find that my listening, reading and interests in music follow a non straight line path, mostly dictated by whatever distractions appear along the way, rather than any plan, and fitting around work .

I kinda like it that way, and anyway that is how it goes.

Mr GongGongs recommendations complicate matters, but complexity is good, isn't it?