Originally posted by Barbirollians
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A fantastic new Tale by Julian Lloyd Webber!!!
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Originally posted by Barbirollians View PostThe violin concerto is quite magnificent - when played by the late Ralph Holmes on Unicorn - now on Heritage.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Delius-Colle...ius+collection
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cocolinmichela
Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostSo you don't think that "Chromatic" music can be "melodic" ?
From Wiki: "Chromatic harmony means harmony (chords) which use notes which do not belong to the key the music is in (they are not in the key signature)".
Yes, his music can be melodic (and lyrical), but the melodic music I was referring to was the one within wich you can distinguish a tune. Just listening to his sonata for cello in one movement. Can you listen to a piece by Delius and easily remember/hum a tune?? With Mozart you can! I know I'll get attacked here, but to me his music is a "minestrone" of tunes, nice in itself, but you can't distinguish the ingredients!
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostI have that on now. Earlier I played Tasmin Little's Decca/Universal version. Holmes has less of a forced vibrato - very natural sounding playing. Dreamy stuff.
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Richard Tarleton
Originally posted by Barbirollians View PostThe violin concerto is quite magnificent - when played by the late Ralph Holmes on Unicorn - now on Heritage.
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Originally posted by cocolinmichela View PostIn the case of Delius is more chromatic harmony.
From Wiki: "Chromatic harmony means harmony (chords) which use notes which do not belong to the key the music is in (they are not in the key signature)".
Yes, his music can be melodic (and lyrical), but the melodic music I was referring to was the one within wich you can distinguish a tune. Just listening to his sonata for cello in one movement. Can you listen to a piece by Delius and easily remember/hum a tune?? With Mozart you can! I know I'll get attacked here, but to me his music is a "minestrone" of tunes, nice in itself, but you can't distinguish the ingredients!
(is probably the easiest way of putting it !)
I find Webern very "tuneful"
and don't really find Mozart complex in the way you describe (which IS not a value judgement)
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cocolinmichela
Originally posted by MrGongGong View Posterrm I don't share your listening strategy
(is probably the easiest way of putting it !)
I find Webern very "tuneful"
I started a thread about a new recording I was interested in discussing and in finding out what people thought about it, but we've discussed all sorts of things apart from that! What did we have 1% or replies about "A Tale"? Maybe??
It's fine to discuss all sorts of music styles, interpreters, performers, recordings, etc.. but then that should be a thread like "all sorts of stuff', 'miscellaneous" or something like that.
End of rant.
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But you are asking lots of people who might not be very keen on the particular musician in question to buy a CD of music then enter into a discussion ?
Maybe it would be more productive to have a discussion about a broadcast ? or even a Youtube clip ?
I'm sure lots of people will buy this CD
but (and I might be wrong ?) maybe this isn't the place where you are likely to find a large number of them ?
There are some really interesting things in the links in this thread so thanks for starting it
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Richard Tarleton
Originally posted by cocolinmichela View PostYes, his music can be melodic (and lyrical), but the melodic music I was referring to was the one within wich you can distinguish a tune. Just listening to his sonata for cello in one movement. Can you listen to a piece by Delius and easily remember/hum a tune?? With Mozart you can! I know I'll get attacked here, but to me his music is a "minestrone" of tunes, nice in itself, but you can't distinguish the ingredients!
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cocolinmichela
Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostBut you are asking lots of people who might not be very keen on the particular musician in question to buy a CD of music then enter into a discussion ?
Maybe it would be more productive to have a discussion about a broadcast ? or even a Youtube clip ?
I'm sure lots of people will buy this CD
but (and I might be wrong ?) maybe this isn't the place where you are likely to find a large number of them ?
There are some really interesting things in the links in this thread so thanks for starting it
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Originally posted by cocolinmichela View PostOk, ok, will give it another try! Thanks for the link!
such as
1) Albert Sammons with the Royal ( maybe not 'Royal' then) Liverpool Phil and Malcolm Sargent, recorded on 78s maybe in the late 1940s.
2) Jean Pougnet ( my personal favouriite 'pre-Holmes') with the RPO & Thomas Beecham, early 1950s?
Both of these superb, historic recordings are available on CD from time to time.
'Sitting in the audience' I have been lucky enough to hear this marvellous work twice 'live' : 1stly by the Halle leader Laurence Turner with the Halle in the early 1960s, and secondly in an unforgettable performance by Peter Mountain with the RLPO and Sir Charles Groves in the mid 1960s.
Deryck Cooke's essay on the Delius violin concerto in his book 'Vindications' is required reading for all 'Delians'.
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I am not a particular fan of Mr. Lloyd Webber's playing, but this thread has acted as a fillip to my ordering a trio of bargain priced CDs featuring him playing works that look interesting to me. I must give his recording of Gavin Bryars' 'Farewell to Philosophy' another spin some time. I usually skip it a go straight to 'One Last Bar, then Joe can Sing'.
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I wouldn't get too hung up on ithe contenets of the thread, Coco.
Its a good thread. Lots of interesting and informative stuff, a bit of Banter. I might even try the Delius violin Concerto. Enjoy the ride. Tends to be more fun if you don't know where you are going.
Personally, I find that my listening, reading and interests in music follow a non straight line path, mostly dictated by whatever distractions appear along the way, rather than any plan, and fitting around work .
I kinda like it that way, and anyway that is how it goes.
Mr GongGongs recommendations complicate matters, but complexity is good, isn't it?I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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