A fantastic new Tale by Julian Lloyd Webber!!!

[Barbirollians]

Now, now. Remember, "broad church" includes those who find themselves unable or unwilling to "hear" beyond easy listening music.

I find Schoenberg fascinating is he now easy listening too ? Berg, Ades , Rihm ???

[MrGongGong]

I find Schoenberg fascinating is he now easy listening too ? Berg, Ades , Rihm ???

Yes

you need some Merzbow matey

[Bryn]

I find Schoenberg fascinating is he now easy listening too ? Berg, Ades , Rihm ???

-ish, certainly. Rhim may demand a little more effort on the part of the listener, but the two long dead composers should no longer disturb the horses. Surely nobody would suggest that Adès's music presents much of a challenge to the ear. You don't have to like, or even appreciate, Lachenmann's work in order to recognise that it is music rather than "music". It's that tired old Emperor's New Clothes cliché being employed in a vain attempt to patronise those ready and willing to put the effort into gaining reward from Lachenmann's output.

[Beef Oven!]

Yes

you need some Merzbow matey

Merzbow makes Lachenmann sound like Abba!

Edit: I was playing music on my iPod through a little portable speaker, poolside in a hotel on holiday in July. In due course I put Merzbow's 'Collapse 12 Floors' on, and the hotelier came over and told me to turn it off!!!

[Barbirollians]

Merzbow makes Lachenmann sound like Abba!

Edit: I was playing music on my iPod through a little portable speaker, poolside in a hotel on holiday in July. In due course I put Merzbow's 'Collapse 12 Floors' on, and the hotelier came over and told me to turn it off!!!

Good for him/her !

[Barbirollians]

-ish, certainly. Rhim may demand a little more effort on the part of the listener, but the two long dead composers should no longer disturb the horses. Surely nobody would suggest that Adès's music presents much of a challenge to the ear. You don't have to like, or even appreciate, Lachenmann's work in order to recognise that it is music rather than "music". It's that tired old Emperor's New Clothes cliché being employed in a vain attempt to patronise those ready and willing to put the effort into gaining reward from Lachenmann's output.

Why should it require effort to enjoy music ? If it sounds dreadful it generally is dreadful .

Lachenmann and composers of his ilk are responsible for turning most people off contemporary music - no matter how much you , fhgl and others of a small coterie rave about them and regard those who do not as simply not making sufficient effort .

[Bryn]

Why should it require effort to enjoy music ? If it sounds dreadful it generally is dreadful .

Lachenmann and composers of his ilk are responsible for turning most people off contemporary music - no matter how much you , fhgl and others of a small coterie rave about them and regard those who do not as simply not making sufficient effort .

What utter nonsense. "most people" have never heard anything by "Lachenmann and composers of his ilk", so how can such composers be "responsible for turning most people off contemporary music". Do at least put some effort into making your case. O.k., I know it's not got anything going for it, but at least try.

[Beef Oven!]

Good for him/her !

Let me see if I've got this right.

On another thread, you described the film music played by Radio Three as 'lo-brow', in the knowledge that many people like that type of thing and you cry out for it to be stopped.

You ridicule the music of Lachenmann et al, and describe those of us on the Forum who enjoy such music as 'a small coterie' who rave(?) about it (you elsewhere say that we only pretend to like this music as a fashion statement, or something like that).

So, anything you like, is music and is good, anything that you don't like, or don't understand, is rubbish.

Yeah, I think I've got that right.

[Dave2002]

Yes

you need some Merzbow matey

Try watching this in browser 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGzrL8J0t-c
and at the same time listen to this http://open.spotify.com/track/3tDlGfUa5oHxrjSH51DQQX
and/or this http://open.spotify.com/track/4yTyFxvNMPG1CfPp642pVc
and/or this http://open.spotify.com/track/0FCJdXs7j1HxiRdDDtsIwr
in one or more other players/browsers.

Doesn't matter much about synchronisation or timing.

Enjoy!

[cocolinmichela]

What utter nonsense. "most people" have never heard anything by "Lachenmann and composers of his ilk", so how can such composers be "responsible for turning most people off contemporary music". Do at least put some effort into making your case. O.k., I know it's not got anything going for it, but at least try.

I didn't know about Lachenmann before we started this thread and I have now learnt something new about what some people listen to, so thank you for that.
I don't know if composers like him put people off contemporary music or not (I suppose we can't generalize) but he certainly has put me off, sorry guys! !!!

[teamsaint]

i don't understand why a person would be put off contemporary music, just because they don't like a particular composers music after one or many listens.
surely that just means they don't like that particular composer's music.

Early C21 "Classical Music" is surely an extraordinarily broad church, though I wouldn't claim to be an expert.

The biggest "problem" with contemporary classical music (if that is the correct term) is that for many people it seems to be unfamiliar. Lots of the sound worlds (minimalism, for instance) aren't really unfamiliar though, although they might be unfamiliar as concert music.

[MrGongGong]

Why should it require effort to enjoy music ? If it sounds dreadful it generally is dreadful .

Lachenmann and composers of his ilk are responsible for turning most people off contemporary music - no matter how much you , fhgl and others of a small coterie rave about them and regard those who do not as simply not making sufficient effort .

As Bryn says
Utter nonsense i'm afraid

"If Boulez was so good why isn't he on X Factor ?"

What do you mean by "dreadful" ?

so much of music is contextual ...... (sorry folks it's that again )
So when people say things like

"I've listened to it and it's rubbish"
I always wonder HOW and in what context they have listened

Some music is very "portable" some is very "fragile"

The idea that music only has one function
i.e To be entertaining and pleasant to listen to

is too limited for many of us
and what you might think is "horrible" I might find enchanting and compelling

When I hear Elgar's Salut D'amour it makes me wish I had a baseball bat to go berserk with

[cocolinmichela]

As Bryn says
Utter nonsense i'm afraid

"If Boulez was so good why isn't he on X Factor ?"

What do you mean by "dreadful" ?

so much of music is contextual ...... (sorry folks it's that again )
So when people say things like

"I've listened to it and it's rubbish"
I always wonder HOW and in what context they have listened

Some music is very "portable" some is very "fragile"

The idea that music only has one function
i.e To be entertaining and pleasant to listen to

is too limited for many of us
and what you might think is "horrible" I might find enchanting and compelling

When I hear Elgar's Salut D'amour it makes me wish I had a baseball bat to go berserk with

Elgar's "Salut d' amour" is one of the finest short pieces ever composed and after a century it is still internationally highly regarded, performed, played, taught. That's probably why it was chosen to represent British music and culture at the closing ceremony of the London 2012 Olympics! Oh, and who was the artist playing it?? One of the greatest musicians of his generation and one of the top 10 living cellists. Music generally IS a universal language because it communicates human feelings (not just love and birds singing in the sky, btw). Everybody is entitled an opinion and your tastes may well differ from mine, but after 3-400 years we still listen to Bach, Vivaldi, Mozart etc because the messages their music conveys have not changed. Not sure if in 2-300 years people would know who Lachenmann and co were?!
Maybe to help us understand why you like that sort of music, you can tell us what it does for you. I struggle to believe it relaxes you, or speaks about human feelings and passions. Yo me more than music it is a collection of sounds randomly arranged and most of the time extremely irritating (sorry!). So what does it do for you?

[cocolinmichela]

As Bryn says
Utter nonsense i'm afraid

"If Boulez was so good why isn't he on X Factor ?"

What do you mean by "dreadful" ?

so much of music is contextual ...... (sorry folks it's that again )
So when people say things like

"I've listened to it and it's rubbish"
I always wonder HOW and in what context they have listened

Some music is very "portable" some is very "fragile"

The idea that music only has one function
i.e To be entertaining and pleasant to listen to

is too limited for many of us
and what you might think is "horrible" I might find enchanting and compelling

When I hear Elgar's Salut D'amour it makes me wish I had a baseball bat to go berserk with

Elgar's "Salut d' amour" is one of the finest short pieces ever composed and after a century it is still internationally highly regarded, performed, played, taught. That's probably why it was chosen to represent British music and culture at the closing ceremony of the London 2012 Olympics! Oh, and who was the artist playing it?? One of the greatest musicians of his generation and one of the top 10 living cellists. Music generally IS a universal language because it communicates human feelings (not just love and birds singing in the sky, btw). Everybody is entitled an opinion and your tastes may well differ from mine, but after 3-400 years we still listen to Bach, Vivaldi, Mozart etc because the messages their music conveys have not changed. Not sure if in 2-300 years people would know who Lachenmann and co were?!
Maybe to help us understand why you like that sort of music, you can tell us what it does for you. I struggle to believe it relaxes you, or speaks about human feelings and passions. To me more than music it is a collection of sounds randomly arranged and most of the time extremely irritating (sorry!). So what does it do for you?

[teamsaint]

The Olympics? Music?
Have you heard most of the music that gets played at sports venues?!

Rod Stewarts "Sailing" still a very popular choice among stadium PA controllers.