Forgotten reputations - Eduard van Beinum?

[Karafan]

Mahler 6 is a strong reading though lacks the 1st movement repeat which some will find disappointing. Mahler 7's performance is a terrific one though the sound needs more than a little tolerance - careful use of ClickRepair got a better result for me.

There's a fine set of Reger recordings on Guild (the sound quality here seems far more acceptable to me) including some of EvB's war-time recordings.

http://www.guildmusic.com/shop/wbc.php?sid=3320287a1bc3&tpl=inhalt.html&cid=15&id=36

The two Decca Masters boxes, one with the Philips recordings, make be available for download. Debussy's La Mer and Nocturnes should not be missed and they're recorded in superb early stereo, too. Pierre Paquin at Haydn House is a staunch admire of this conductor and has released excellent remasterings from LP of some rarities - the 1953 Bruckner 7 has not sounded better than his transfer in my opinion.

The Live Recordings box from RN is available from Amazon at a good price considering the number of CDs, though some of the recordings, especially those from the 1930s need some tolerance. Ward Marston has released a rarity recently, EvB accompanying Frederic Lamond in 1937-9 in Beethoven and Liszt.

http://marstonrecords.com/

I do have the Liszt and it's well worth hearing; Marston's mastering will be superior. I'd like a copy, though resent being stung for the "inspection fee" when it turns up at the post office. (Tax and fee and postage will effectively double the purchase price.)

There are still a few live recordings which have yet to be released either on CD or in some cases for the first time, and I hope Tahra will come to the rescue. My mother was given a copy of the Beethoven Violin Concerto with Grumiaux in 1960 - as a small boy, I was intrigued by the gatefold sleeve with all the photographs of the conductor (the same as mentioned above) and had to learn what it was conductors do. I've been a fan with undiminished enthusiasm for EvB ever since.

http://classicalcdreview.com/evb.html

Fascinating post, PJPJ - thanks

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

His Britten is also more than decent (esp the Grimes Interludes).

- he conducted the World Premiere of the Spring Symphony, an "off-air" recording of which was available on DECCA some years ago (and available second-hand from the River people if you can get a second mortgage). It was a tremendous occasion - the performance is as fine as any (I prefer it to Britten's own) - but sadly the recorded sound makes for very uncomfortable listening. Yet another of the "if onlies".

[hafod]

Can't see the latter (Presto is out of stock)....?

Sorry - should have posted the link first time round. The van B Bruckner 4 on Audiophile courtesy of MDT (seems to be in stock):

http://www.mdt.co.uk/bruckner-anton-sinfonie-no-4-concertgebouworkest-audiophile.html

[Karafan]

Sorry - should have posted the link first time round. The van B Bruckner 4 on Audiophile courtesy of MDT (seems to be in stock):
http://www.mdt.co.uk/bruckner-anton-...udiophile.html

Thanks, Hafod! Ordered.

[Karafan]

Just a note to anyone buying the Bruckner 5 which Retrospect released - the packaging incorrectly states that it is a 1957 performance.

It in fact dates from 12th March 1959 (less than a month before the maestro's untimely death) and originates from a Radio Netherlands broadcast.

K.

[mathias broucek]

Just a note to anyone buying the Bruckner 5 which Retrospect released - the packaging incorrectly states that it is a 1957 performance.

It in fact dates from 12th March 1959 (less than a month before the maestro's untimely death) and originates from a Radio Netherlands broadcast.

K.

Either way, it's worth getting. A few years ago I got that, the Debussy disc and the Brahms VC from HMV for £2 per disc......

[antongould]

Cheers Karafan
On your strong recommendation I plunged for the Bruckner 7 with the Haydns........it really is excellent.

I was touched by this in the CD notes...."As he lay dying he is said to have uttered words of praise for the playing of the orchestra's oboist, completely typical of a man who put music and his musicians before himself"......

[Alain Maréchal]

- he conducted the World Premiere of the Spring Symphony, an "off-air" recording of which was available on DECCA some years ago (and available second-hand from the River people if you can get a second mortgage). It was a tremendous occasion - the performance is as fine as any (I prefer it to Britten's own) - but sadly the recorded sound makes for very uncomfortable listening. Yet another of the "if onlies".

There are several used copies floating down the river, at reasonable prices.
Does the number (and enthusiasm) of the responses suggest that EvB is far from forgotten?

[Hornspieler]

Cheers Karafan
On your strong recommendation I plunged for the Bruckner 7 with the Haydns........it really is excellent.

I was touched by this in the CD notes...."As he lay dying he is said to have uttered words of praise for the playing of the orchestra's oboist, completely typical of a man who put music and his musicians before himself"......

... and I believe that the oboist could have been Edo de Waart, who himself became a conductor (of the Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra).

HS

[silvestrione]

Either way, it's worth getting. I got that, the Debussy disc and the Brahms VC from HMV for £2 per disc......

Oxford St HMV? Or online? I'm going to London on Tuesday!

[mathias broucek]

Oxford St HMV? Or online? I'm going to London on Tuesday!

Sorry. It was a few years ago....

[Ferretfancy]

Oxford St HMV? Or online? I'm going to London on Tuesday!

Oxford Street may be closed, as they are selling the big shop and moving to the Selfridges end of the street while shrinking in the process. I'm very sorry to say so, but classical music from HMV shops will be in very poor supply from now on, it's the end of an era.

[amateur51]

Oxford Street may be closed, as they are selling the big shop and moving to the Selfridges end of the street while shrinking in the process. I'm very sorry to say so, but classical music from HMV shops will be in very poor supply from now on, it's the end of an era.

I wonder if the e-business will be re-started

As you say Ferret, end of an era, very sad, particularly for those of us who have worked in music recordings retail and had great fun while being paid (modestly) for the experience.

I have to confess that I played my part in the downfall of high street music retail - I haven't been into HMV's classical department for probably two years and yet my CD collection has grown

[Roehre]

... and I believe that the oboist could have been Edo de Waart, who himself became a conductor (of the Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra).
HS

At that time it was one of the Stotijns, father Jaap Stotijn, or -more likely- his son Haakon Stotijn (or perhaps his bother Louis, who sometimes was borrowed from the Residentieorkest [the The Hague Philharmonic]). (And yes, they are related to Christianne Stotijn)
Edo de Waart studied with Jaap Stotijn and joined the Concertgebouw orchestra in 1963, after Van Beinum's death, and left in 1965 already pursuing a conducting career, beginning as Bernstein's assistant in New York.

[verismissimo]

... Edo de Waart, who himself became a conductor (of the Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra).

HS

And then of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra. I heard a DJ there greet him with "G'daydo Edo!"