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  • Dave2002
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    • Dec 2010
    • 18025

    #16
    In Decca's recording of Kodaly's Hary Janos suite by Kertesz there is one section in one of the movements with horns and a piano which sounds as though it has been recorded in a different venue with a very dry and non reverberant acoustic. It most probably wasn't, but all the ambience disappears in that section which appears twice. I don't know what they did to make that happen. The perceived hall size shrinks down to that of a small room for a few seconds.

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    • Barbirollians
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 11709

      #17
      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
      In Decca's recording of Kodaly's Hary Janos suite by Kertesz there is one section in one of the movements with horns and a piano which sounds as though it has been recorded in a different venue with a very dry and non reverberant acoustic. It most probably wasn't, but all the ambience disappears in that section which appears twice. I don't know what they did to make that happen. The perceived hall size shrinks down to that of a small room for a few seconds.
      Does it still sound like that to your ears on the new Eloquence issue ? I must admit not noticing it when I played it for the first time last night - cracking performances and I felt the old Peacock variations deserved another Proms outing - not having been heard since 1975 .

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      • Dave2002
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        • Dec 2010
        • 18025

        #18
        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
        Does it still sound like that to your ears on the new Eloquence issue ? I must admit not noticing it when I played it for the first time last night - cracking performances and I felt the old Peacock variations deserved another Proms outing - not having been heard since 1975 .
        I don't know about a new reissue, but it sounds like that on the LP and also on the CD which I bought as I moved most of my collection to CD. I think unless it's been remastered it will have that feature. You might need to listen on headphones to spot it. If you're happy with it maybe don't bother as it will then disturb you.

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        • Tony Halstead
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1717

          #19
          Originally posted by Gordon View Post
          Barbirolli's 1969 Mahler 5 with New Philharmonia in Watford and issued on LP in 1970 without several bars of horn solo!!! They were replaced for the CD issue by getting Nicholas Busch the original horn player back to Watford [I think during another session] to do the missing bars.

          http://www.gramophone.co.uk/HallofFa.../Review/Mahler
          I have just heard the desperately sad news that the legendary horn player NICHOLAS BUSCH formerly of the LPO, New Philharmonia and Philharmonia orchestras, died very suddenly yesterday.
          R.I.P.
          Apparently there is a tribute on the Norman Lebrecht website somewhere but so far I haven't found it. There is this, though|:
          Last edited by Tony Halstead; 26-07-13, 20:46.

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #20
            Originally posted by waldhorn View Post
            I have just heard the desperately sad news that the legendary horn player NICK BUSCH formerly of the LPO, New Philharmonia and Philharmonia orchestras, died very suddenly yesterday.
            R.I.P.
            Sad news, indeed.
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 20570

              #21
              I forgot this one in my OP:

              The Naxos abridged audiobook recording of Jane Eyre. I played on of the CDs, which sounded fine until the reading stopped suddenly and was replaced by an amateur jam session with badly played and sung guitar and voice which went on and on. I asked for a replacement and it arrived within 2 days, absolutely perfect. I can't imagine how this came about on a commercial release.

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              • amateur51

                #22
                Originally posted by waldhorn View Post
                I have just heard the desperately sad news that the legendary horn player NICK BUSCH formerly of the LPO, New Philharmonia and Philharmonia orchestras, died very suddenly yesterday.
                R.I.P.
                Apparently there is a tribute on the Norman Lebrecht website somewhere but so far I haven't found it. There is this, though|:
                http://horncups.com/forums/viewtopic...bdc433aa2a3e7a
                Very sad news indeed waldhorn.

                Here's the piece that I think you mean

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                • mathias broucek
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1303

                  #23
                  Decca made some gaffes at the changeover to stereo.

                  They lost the stereo tape of the VPO / Erich Kleiber Eroica and forgot about the Stereo tape of Kna's Bruckner/Schalk 5 - they even did a reissued the latter in fake stereo!

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                  • Tony Halstead
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1717

                    #24
                    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                    Very sad news indeed waldhorn.

                    Here's the piece that I think you mean

                    http://www.christopherparkes.com/page2/page3/index.html
                    Yes, indeed, thanks very much for that link, amateur51!

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                    • pastoralguy
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7766

                      #25
                      Originally posted by waldhorn View Post
                      Yes, indeed, thanks very much for that link, amateur51!
                      Lovely article. Thank you.

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                      • salymap
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5969

                        #26
                        Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                        Lovely article. Thank you.
                        Yes, thanks for that ams, sad, 73 is no age these days.

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                        • Andrew Preview
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                          • May 2011
                          • 78

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                          .

                          Kovacevich's EMI Beethoven sonata cycle was so dryly recorded some had to be re-recorded as I recall .
                          I don't think the whole cycle was badly recorded. I collected the individual discs, but skipped the disc with op 109, which was the worst offender by far. The other sonatas from that disc were re-recorded and released later, but sadly I don't think he re-recorded op 109 (I have his earlier account on Philips, which is wonderful). I heard that he re-recorded op 111 for the box set, although there wasn't much wrong with that one first time around - it would have made more sense to re-record op 109.
                          "Not too heavy on the banjos." E. Morecambe

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                          • Ferretfancy
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3487

                            #28
                            When stereo LPs first appeared, Pye Records jumped the gun and made the first release, all of which were issued out of phase!

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                            • Tony Halstead
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1717

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                              When stereo LPs first appeared, Pye Records jumped the gun and made the first release, all of which were issued out of phase!
                              I'm unclear as to your meaning:
                              1) Kovacevich's Beethoven Sonatas
                              2) A different pianist playing the whole cycle
                              3) A different pianist playing some of the late sonatas
                              ?

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                              • MrGongGong
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                #30
                                Originally posted by waldhorn View Post
                                I'm unclear as to your meaning:
                                1) Kovacevich's Beethoven Sonatas
                                2) A different pianist playing the whole cycle
                                3) A different pianist playing some of the late sonatas
                                ?
                                I think he (?) means phase as in the left and right channels being out of phase with each other !

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