New Mahler releases

[Cellini]

Maybe he's been eating too many onions, or even prunes ...

Sorry, I do hope you are not a new member ... if so, welcome, and ignore my posts ...

Oh my god - he is a newsish member!! Now I'm for the chop ... OK F-F, I'll come quietly. can i have the blindfold before the axe falls?

[amateur51]

Cellini, if you're addressing me, I take your ribbing in good part and have done so for several years.

You have your blind spots, your eccentricities just like the rest of us but I have learned a lot from your expert testimony on string playing, for which many thanks

[Cellini]

Cellini, if you're addressing me, I take your ribbing in good part and have done so for several years.

You have your blind spots, your eccentricities just like the rest of us but I have learned a lot from your expert testimony on string playing, for which many thanks

amateur51 - No, you were not in my sights!! Nice to reply to you, as someone who has one of the most brilliant senses of humour on the messageboard!!

Best wishes, and long may you continue to entertain and educate us all!!

[JimD]

I have taken delivery of the Rattle Resurrection today

The new Rattle is only £7.99 on Amazon

Cheap at half the price.

[silvestrione]

I don't have to eat my hat (one of those thick pull-on ones essential in these winters) because I covered myself:

"...(but that's unfair)..."

Not quite sure how to quote in full from my post yet.

If I am the newish member Cellini thinks he has offended or something, I cannot see where he thinks he has done it.

[silvestrione]

And I don't want to know:cool2:

[Cellini]

And I don't think I dun it this time anyway!!

[amateur51]

amateur51 - No, you were not in my sights!! Nice to reply to you, as someone who has one of the most brilliant senses of humour on the messageboard!!

Best wishes, and long may you continue to entertain and educate us all!!

Cheers, Cellini!

[Alison]

Good to see some Concertgebouw/Haitink readings getting a favourable mention here.

Listening to CD Review and the various extracts played on Saturday I longed to hear performances of such

natural and unforced distinction. It's a shame he ever left the orchestra IMHO.

[Petrushka]

Good to see some Concertgebouw/Haitink readings getting a favourable mention here.

Listening to CD Review and the various extracts played on Saturday I longed to hear performances of such

natural and unforced distinction. It's a shame he ever left the orchestra IMHO.

I couldn't agree more, Alison, and if he had stayed at the helm of the Concertgebouw he would not only have broken Mengelberg's record but would surely have been the longest serving chief conductor anywhere ever.

[Roehre]

Good to see some Concertgebouw/Haitink readings getting a favourable mention here.

Yes. For me Haitink is THE interpretor of Mahler. No nonsense, playing what's written in the score. Not overheated nor undercooled. Capacities which are very helpful in appecriating his Bruckner or Ravel and Debussy too, btw.

[mathias broucek]

Well, I finally got round to listening to Rattle's new Ressurection.

For me, ES was about right. In terms of Rattle's interpretative interventions, whilst some of these are interesting and none are completely perverse, I agree with ES that they just don't feel "natural" in a way that Bernstein's and Tennstedt's do. The latter's live recording goes completely OTT at times but somehow you're with him and can understand why in a way that is (to me, at least) less clear with Rattle.

The playing, recording and the choir are all excellent and I agree with ES's comments about the soloists.

Overall, I'm glad I heard it and it's never dull, but I don't see it as superior to the CBSO performance and it's some way behind my other favourites (e.g. the live Tennstedt and the Bav RSO Klemperer).

[ostuni]

I certainly agree with ES about that Rattle rit just before the climax in 2/i. And yes, Tennstedt's rit into the recap in 8/i was entirely persuasive. But what I don't like about Tennstedt's version, both here and in the studio performance, is that after the rit, the recap itself starts at a significantly slower tempo than at the opening - this just doesn't seem right! (Tennstedt's not the only offender in this, but I'm not at home at the moment so can't check my score).

[mathias broucek]

But SHOULD a recap always be at Tempo 1? We're no longer in the place we started from....

I have two Furtwangler Schubert 9s where the recap is at a completely different tempo and it works perfectly (perhaps because the transition is done so well).

[Alison]

What a strange performace of Mahler 2 from Rattle. It's as if he performs
five tone poems rather than a symphony.
Some very impressive moments taken in isolation but my ear was never led on
and in spite of a winning peroration I found the overall experience a crushing
disappointment.