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  • Cellini

    #46
    Maybe he's been eating too many onions, or even prunes ...

    Sorry, I do hope you are not a new member ... if so, welcome, and ignore my posts ...

    Oh my god - he is a newsish member!! Now I'm for the chop ... OK F-F, I'll come quietly. can i have the blindfold before the axe falls?
    Last edited by Guest; 15-02-11, 20:20. Reason: The awful truth dawns ...

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    • amateur51

      #47
      Cellini, if you're addressing me, I take your ribbing in good part and have done so for several years.

      You have your blind spots, your eccentricities just like the rest of us but I have learned a lot from your expert testimony on string playing, for which many thanks

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      • Cellini

        #48
        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
        Cellini, if you're addressing me, I take your ribbing in good part and have done so for several years.

        You have your blind spots, your eccentricities just like the rest of us but I have learned a lot from your expert testimony on string playing, for which many thanks
        amateur51 - No, you were not in my sights!! Nice to reply to you, as someone who has one of the most brilliant senses of humour on the messageboard!!

        Best wishes, and long may you continue to entertain and educate us all!!

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        • JimD
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 267

          #49
          Originally posted by Alison View Post
          I have taken delivery of the Rattle Resurrection today
          Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
          The new Rattle is only £7.99 on Amazon
          Cheap at half the price.

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          • silvestrione
            Full Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 1701

            #50
            I don't have to eat my hat (one of those thick pull-on ones essential in these winters) because I covered myself:

            "...(but that's unfair)..."

            Not quite sure how to quote in full from my post yet.

            If I am the newish member Cellini thinks he has offended or something, I cannot see where he thinks he has done it.

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            • silvestrione
              Full Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 1701

              #51
              And I don't want to know:cool2:

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              • Cellini

                #52
                And I don't think I dun it this time anyway!!

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                • amateur51

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Cellini View Post
                  amateur51 - No, you were not in my sights!! Nice to reply to you, as someone who has one of the most brilliant senses of humour on the messageboard!!

                  Best wishes, and long may you continue to entertain and educate us all!!
                  Cheers, Cellini!

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                  • Alison
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6455

                    #54
                    Good to see some Concertgebouw/Haitink readings getting a favourable mention here.

                    Listening to CD Review and the various extracts played on Saturday I longed to hear performances of such

                    natural and unforced distinction. It's a shame he ever left the orchestra IMHO.

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                    • Petrushka
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12239

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Alison View Post
                      Good to see some Concertgebouw/Haitink readings getting a favourable mention here.

                      Listening to CD Review and the various extracts played on Saturday I longed to hear performances of such

                      natural and unforced distinction. It's a shame he ever left the orchestra IMHO.
                      I couldn't agree more, Alison, and if he had stayed at the helm of the Concertgebouw he would not only have broken Mengelberg's record but would surely have been the longest serving chief conductor anywhere ever.
                      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                      • Roehre

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Alison View Post
                        Good to see some Concertgebouw/Haitink readings getting a favourable mention here.
                        Yes. For me Haitink is THE interpretor of Mahler. No nonsense, playing what's written in the score. Not overheated nor undercooled. Capacities which are very helpful in appecriating his Bruckner or Ravel and Debussy too, btw.

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                        • mathias broucek
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1303

                          #57
                          Well, I finally got round to listening to Rattle's new Ressurection.

                          For me, ES was about right. In terms of Rattle's interpretative interventions, whilst some of these are interesting and none are completely perverse, I agree with ES that they just don't feel "natural" in a way that Bernstein's and Tennstedt's do. The latter's live recording goes completely OTT at times but somehow you're with him and can understand why in a way that is (to me, at least) less clear with Rattle.

                          The playing, recording and the choir are all excellent and I agree with ES's comments about the soloists.

                          Overall, I'm glad I heard it and it's never dull, but I don't see it as superior to the CBSO performance and it's some way behind my other favourites (e.g. the live Tennstedt and the Bav RSO Klemperer).

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                          • ostuni
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 549

                            #58
                            I certainly agree with ES about that Rattle rit just before the climax in 2/i. And yes, Tennstedt's rit into the recap in 8/i was entirely persuasive. But what I don't like about Tennstedt's version, both here and in the studio performance, is that after the rit, the recap itself starts at a significantly slower tempo than at the opening - this just doesn't seem right! (Tennstedt's not the only offender in this, but I'm not at home at the moment so can't check my score).

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                            • mathias broucek
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1303

                              #59
                              But SHOULD a recap always be at Tempo 1? We're no longer in the place we started from....

                              I have two Furtwangler Schubert 9s where the recap is at a completely different tempo and it works perfectly (perhaps because the transition is done so well).

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                              • Alison
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 6455

                                #60
                                What a strange performace of Mahler 2 from Rattle. It's as if he performs
                                five tone poems rather than a symphony.
                                Some very impressive moments taken in isolation but my ear was never led on
                                and in spite of a winning peroration I found the overall experience a crushing
                                disappointment.

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