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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
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    #16
    Micky, that disc was basically a compilation of the overture recordings previously isued as fill-up to the Hanover Band's Beethoven symphonies CDs issued between 1984 and 1988. Two conductors are represented, Monica Huggett and Roy Goodman.

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    • MickyD
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      • Nov 2010
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      #17
      Oh yes, I remember now. And didn't Mary Verney contribute in a couple of the piano concertos? I seem to recall getting concerto No.1 on the original LP - those were heady days for HIP, I remember being really excited at hearing Beethoven for the first time on period instruments. I believe the Hanover Band actually did the symphonies before Norrington or Hogwood. What you have to contend with is that cavernous Nimbus sound - some hate it, I rather like it.

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      • Bryn
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        • Mar 2007
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        #18
        Indeed, Mary Verney was the soloist in the '1st' and 3rd concertos. I still have those LPs.

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        • aeolium
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          • Nov 2010
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          #19
          I don't think he recorded all the Beethoven overtures, but van Beinum's performances with the LPO on Decca still sound very impressive - especially his recording of the Consecration of the House, wonderfully paced. I'm not sure how easy it is to get these on CD now unless they are part of a Decca box set.

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          • NickWraight
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            • Nov 2010
            • 66

            #20
            The Karajan is very good on the 2 disc DGG Galeria set that I possess: recorded in 2 spells at the Jesus Christus Kirche which slightly shows in that the later one has a marginally softer sound and slightly less energy in the performance/interpretation. Don't let that put you off though: the complete overtures (inc the 3 Leonoras and Fidelio) are relatively early recordings and have none of the later sound and interpretative sheen in evidence. If you own the early complete symphonies on DG you won't be disappointed.

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            • PJPJ
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              • Nov 2010
              • 1461

              #21
              Originally posted by aeolium View Post
              I don't think he recorded all the Beethoven overtures, but van Beinum's performances with the LPO on Decca still sound very impressive - especially his recording of the Consecration of the House, wonderfully paced. I'm not sure how easy it is to get these on CD now unless they are part of a Decca box set.
              Some excellent transfers for download here - all out of copyright.

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              • Ferretfancy
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                • Nov 2010
                • 3487

                #22
                I have the Bavarian RSO set of the overtures with Sir Colin Davis, buy maybe it's deleted. The problem when you have a large collection made over a long time is that it's difficult to keep tabs on what's still in circulation.

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                • Bryn
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                  • Mar 2007
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                  #23
                  There is an interesting CD of Beethoven overtures in the Brilliant Classics complete works boxes. It has the Minnesota Orchestra under Stanislav Skrowaczewski and the Consecration of the House overture is supplemented by the other new music Beethoven wrote for the event, "Wo sich die Pulse" WoO 98, with Phyllis Bryn-Julson as the soprano soloist. That recording is also to be found on a VOX double CD album, but at a much higher pro-rata price than the CDs in the Brilliant Classics boxes.

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                  • Barbirollians
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #24
                    Masur for me too.

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                    • umslopogaas
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1977

                      #25
                      Well, that was interesting, I went to check my LPs to see what versions of the Beethoven overtures I've got and found one I've never otherwise heard of: 'Zur Namensfeier' ('Nameday') Op.115. The sleeve note (on an early stereo Philips, SABL 202) says: 'The Grand Overture in C, derives its title Namensfeier from a note on the autograph which says "in the first vintage month, 1814, on the Emperor's name day."' The orchestra is the Concertgebouw, cond. Jochum. Turns out its not so obscure, the Penguin Guide lists a couple of recordings.

                      Back in the glory days of vinyl the major players included Klemperer, Jochum, Schmidt-Isserstedt, Ansermet, with occasional contributions from Kempe, Previn, Menuhin, Giulini, Leinsdorf, Mehta, Szell, Dorati. I would have thought Klemperer was essential. However (apologies if I've posted this thought before), I reckon that while you should always hear what Klemperer has to say, because he is a unique voice, you should never only hear him, he does take a very individual course. He recorded all the symphonies and as someone pointed out, the overtures were used as fillers whenever there was room to squeeze one in. Columbia also gathered the three Leonoras and Fidelio together on a separate Klemperer disc.

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                      • Roehre

                        #26
                        Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
                        Well, that was interesting, I went to check my LPs to see what versions of the Beethoven overtures I've got and found one I've never otherwise heard of: 'Zur Namensfeier' ('Nameday') Op.115. The sleeve note (on an early stereo Philips, SABL 202) says: 'The Grand Overture in C, derives its title Namensfeier from a note on the autograph which says "in the first vintage month, 1814, on the Emperor's name day."' The orchestra is the Concertgebouw, cond. Jochum. Turns out its not so obscure, the Penguin Guide lists a couple of recordings.
                        The Nameday overture is Beethoven's only concert overture i.e. not meant to open a staged work (opera, a ballet or incidental music).

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                        • NickWraight
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 66

                          #27
                          Roehre, what about 'Consecration of the House' is, I think, a concert piece and what could be termed an Occasion Piece?

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                          • Bryn
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                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            #28
                            The Consecration of the House overture is a strange case. It was written, along with a vocal setting, Wo sich die Pulse WoO 98, to replace The Ruins of Athens overture as part of a suite to be used for the opening of Vienna's Theater in der Josefstadt. So it was indeed a piece d'occasion, but in a theatrical context.

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                            • Tevot
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1011

                              #29
                              Though not exhaustive I've always enjoyed this recording:-

                              Composer/Artist Beethoven, Ludwig van
                              Title Overtures
                              Label RCA Classics, 1986
                              Publisher's No. 74321212812
                              Series Classical navigator, 29: Viennese classicism
                              Notes/Performers Bamberg Symphony Orchestra, conducted by E Jochum
                              Contents Contains: Egmont, The ruins of Athens, Prometheus, Coriolan, Fidelio, Leonore No. 1 and No. 3
                              Record Number W000003651
                              Category ORCHESTRAL

                              Best Wishes,

                              Tevot

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                              • Roehre

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                                The Consecration of the House overture is a strange case. It was written, along with a vocal setting, Wo sich die Pulse WoO 98, to replace The Ruins of Athens overture as part of a suite to be used for the opening of Vienna's Theater in der Josefstadt. So it was indeed a piece d'occasion, but in a theatrical context.
                                It even goes a bit further.
                                As the text for Die Weihe des Hauses had to be adapted to the music of Die Ruinen von Athen, including the completely new choral piece Wo sich die Pulse WoO 98 as mentioned by Bryn, the great march with chorus in the Ruins (op.113 no.6, NOT the turkisch march!) underwent two or three very slight changes in the music (without a score you won't discover them). Nevertheless it was published separately as well as opus 114.

                                In the Kinsky-Halm you'll find the incidental music to Die Ruinen as opus 113, and to Die Weihe as opus 114 + opus 124 + WoO 98

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