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  • Thropplenoggin
    • Nov 2024

    Mahler 2: Something Old, Something New

    The Barbirolli thread got me to interrupt my first odyssey through the vast output of Brahms and head back to my Mahler collection, starting with Barbirolli's 9th, then onto Nott's 3rd, then Barbirolli's 6th.

    The past few days, I've worked my way through the four 'Resurrection' symphonies I own (Tennstedt/LPO Live (too rubato-y to live with?), Klemperer EMI (studio), Mehta/VPO (Decca), and Rattle/CBSO (EMI) (Baker is the saving grace here for me).

    I also gave three new ones in spanking modern sound a spin on Qobuz: Fischer/Budapest Festival Orchestra ('Urlicht' at the speed of light ); Nott/Bamberg Symphony Orchestra (I really warmed to this); and Jurowski/LPO (slick or fantastic? I lean to the latter but am undecided (plus that magnificent sliding down moment 2/3s through the first movement doesn't slide down in one smooth curve but is staggered, like a jaggedy line. This pivotal moment had less impact for me.)).

    Mahler is certainly a composer who benefits from clarity of sound, something the superb new sonic recordings offer (though I have yet to sample any of these in SACD!)

    But, of course, there is a reason we still listen to an older generation of conductors. What insights they can offer even in poor sound! One only has to think of Bruno Walter who knew the composer. And analogue recordings have their own charms and warmth.

    So, let's see your choices recordings - something old, something new - for Mahler 2.

    Old: Mehta/VPO
    New: Nott/Bamberg Symphony Orchestra
    Last edited by Guest; 29-01-13, 21:07. Reason: a missing 'close' bracket (Reader, I couldn't sleep!)
  • antongould
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8785

    #2
    Abbado - Lucerne Festival Orchestra - Old New Everything..........

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    • amateur51

      #3
      Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
      (plus that magnificent sliding down moment 2/3s through the first movement doesn't slide down in one smooth curve but is staggered, like a jaggedy line. This pivotal moment had less impact for me.)).
      Rattle does the jaggedy descent 'live' and on recordings. He says it's what Mahler has in the score.

      I'd throw in Walter, Ormandy, VPO/Mehta. There's also a VPO/Levine 'live' that I want to hear. Oh and of course Stokowski I think that Abbado has the measure of it more than most but I don't know his Lucerne recording(s?).

      I heard Tennstedt, Haintink & Solti doing it several times 'live', all pretty good but one shocker from Solti too. And don't discount the various Klemperers.

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      • Petrushka
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 12252

        #4
        I have something like 50 recordings of this work (I'll get round to totting them up one day!) starting with the very first (Oskar Fried 1924) so you present me with an impossible challenge.

        I was present at the 1989 LPO/Tennstedt performance and will never ever forget it but as a recording it is best reserved for special occasions. The last time I played it I found it totally overwhelming. Am51 - buy the Lucerne/Abbado DVD without delay! Wonderful performance and one to live with.

        The recording I would save from the flames would be the 1989 Tennstedt. The one I love most is the 1984 Christmas Day performance with Haitink and the Concertgebouw but to answer the question as best I can:

        Old: NYPO/Bruno Walter

        New: BPO/Haitink
        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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        • Bryn
          Banned
          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          #5
          Must give the Norrington another spin. Sadly the vocal soloists are nothing to write home about, as I recall.

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          • antongould
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8785

            #6
            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
            Must give the Norrington another spin. Sadly the vocal soloists are nothing to write home about, as I recall.
            Surely not Rogers's fault.........

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            • Black Swan

              #7
              Totally agree Abbado - Lucerne Festival Orchestra for me - Old New Everything

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              • richardfinegold
                Full Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 7666

                #8
                New--Abbado /Lucerne or MTT/SFSO

                Old--Walter/NYP or Bersntein (LSO, I believe)

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                • Barbirollians
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11687

                  #9
                  New: LPO/Jurowski

                  Old : Stuttgart RSO/Barbirolli

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                  • remdataram
                    Full Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 154

                    #10
                    Old: Solti/LSO - my initiation in Mahler, it changed my life!

                    New: Haitink/BPO - I have 17 different recordings of the 2nd, and keep coming back to this one.

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #11
                      Old: Klemperer/Concertgebeouw/Ferrier & Vincent

                      New: I really could do with a modern version - I have 6 other versions, none recorded later than the 1980s! Abbado/Lucerne really appeals.
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • antongould
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8785

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        Old: Klemperer/Concertgebeouw/Ferrier & Vincent

                        New: I really could do with a modern version - I have 6 other versions, none recorded later than the 1980s! Abbado/Lucerne really appeals.
                        Go for it and if you don't like it Rumpole will refund it.....

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26536

                          #13
                          Originally posted by antongould View Post
                          Go for it and if you don't like it Rumpole will refund it.....
                          Eh? What? Ah? Ahem?

                          Yes Abbado/Lucerne and LPO/Jurowski should be your new choices.

                          Klemps for the old one
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • Barbirollians
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11687

                            #14
                            Klemperer live with Heather Harper and Janet Baker knocks spots of his studio recording. As does Vincent/Ferrier - indeed Ferrier's singing of the Urlicht only weeks after she had had her mastectomy is so beautiful it touches the skies .

                            There is a live 1942 Walter I have just bought that RC raved about in Gramophone - anyone heard it ?

                            Abbado in Lucerne is marvellous if just a touch cool .

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                            • akiralx
                              Full Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 427

                              #15
                              I only recently (to my shame) heard the studio Klemperer via the Japanese SACD - a spectacular reading but I was astounded by how matronly and unspiritual Rossl-Madjan sounds in Urlicht. Why on earth she was engaged I will never know. But the rest of the performance is excellent. I did like the live EMI Klemperer but haven't heard it for a few years.

                              I do find many of Abbado's Lucerne recordings rather cool and manicured. Among the digital sets I have liked Sinopoli, MTT, and Kaplan (DG) but will go for another performance which is very urgent:

                              Old: Klemperer (EMI/Philharmonia)
                              New: Boulez (DG) - apparently the DVD is even better.

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