Dudamel's New Mahler 9th with LAPO

[Guest]

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4790924

Is anyone interested in this? It already seems to be available from the River people.

I have four versions of the 9th (Ancerl, Klemperer, Barbirolli and Nott). All offer something different, so I'm not in the market for a fifth version.

I haven't heard this conductor live or in concert on the radio. I only know him through the hype, though sometimes hype can be justified.

Any takers?

[EnemyoftheStoat]

Nope. With Karajan x 2, Sinopoli, Maderna, Gergiev, Sanderling, Masur, Salonen, Tennstedt, Judd and Haitink on the shelves (and possibly more lurking), I have no need of Dudamel. The hype is hype.

[amateur51]

I've seen several live performances by Dudamel with his Venezualan orchestra, with the Philharmonia and with the Gothenburg symphony orchestra. It's been clear to me from these that he is the real deal. I own none of his recordings because I have plenty of others covering this repertoire already but I'd be very interested in hearing this Mahler symphony no 9 should it ever come onto Spotify.

It's interesting that neither of our two collectors on this thread thus far own or mention Bruno Walter's 'live' recording with the VPO from 1938. Walter knew Mahler, worked with Mahler and premiered his ninth symphony in 1912. No hype needed there, it's a must-listen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUKpw21ASc

[Madame Suggia]

It is on Spotify

[richardfinegold]

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4790924

Is anyone interested in this? It already seems to be available from the River people.

I have four versions of the 9th (Ancerl, Klemperer, Barbirolli and Nott). All offer something different, so I'm not in the market for a fifth version.

I haven't heard this conductor live or in concert on the radio. I only know him through the hype, though sometimes hype can be justified.

Any takers?

I have his 5th, with the Simon Bolivar Orchestra. It is very good, but very much a young man's Mahler. I'd be interested in hearing his 9th, but not to the point where I would lay out any cash for it. Dudamel has his own audience, however, in America he is very popular with Hispanics, and I imagine this is true south of the USA border as well. He may well attract a lot of new listeners to composers such as Mahler.
How do you like the Ancerl? That recording was my introduction to the piece and it sounds great in the Supraphon Ancerl reissue series.

[martin_opera]

Won't be purchasing as I have over a dozen versions. Rattle's most recent with the Berlin Phil is wonderful and in brilliant sound.

[Thropplenoggin]

How do you like the Ancerl? That recording was my introduction to the piece and it sounds great in the Supraphon Ancerl reissue series.

Funnily enough, it was mine, too! I also have it in the reissue series you mention. There's something very warm about the performance. I like how you can hear the occasional chair creak and what not. It made a lovely companion piece with the Nott - another knock-out performance in superb sound - but that's why the aberration in the 4th movement of the Nott is so irritating. Once you know it's there, you expect it each time. I like my modern performances to be sonically flawless. Ivan Fischer on Channel Classics achieves this - his is the only Mahler 4 I own; and I honestly can't see it how it can be improved upon.

However, I'm much more forgiving of older recordings.

[richardfinegold]

Funnily enough, it was mine, too! I also have it in the reissue series you mention. There's something very warm about the performance. I like how you can hear the occasional chair creak and what not. It made a lovely companion piece with the Nott - another knock-out performance in superb sound - but that's why the aberration in the 4th movement of the Nott is so irritating. Once you know it's there, you expect it each time. I like my modern performances to be sonically flawless. Ivan Fischer on Channel Classics achieves this - his is the only Mahler 4 I own; and I honestly can't see it how it can be improved upon.

However, I'm much more forgiving of older recordings.

My favorite Mahler/4 is Szell/ Cleveland. Norman Lebrecht said it was almost "too perfect" whatever that means. I also like the Tennestedt, mainly because of Lucia Popp, and the Horenstein, which is world's away from the Szell but very persuasive.

In SACD for the 9th, try MTT/San Francisco.

I just ordered the Ancerl First, also part of that Ancerl series. Pity he didn't record more Mahler. I particularly would have liked to heard a 5th and 6th
from him.

[Thropplenoggin]

My favorite Mahler/4 is Szell/ Cleveland. Norman Lebrecht said it was almost "too perfect" whatever that means. I also like the Tennestedt, mainly because of Lucia Popp, and the Horenstein, which is world's away from the Szell but very persuasive.

In SACD for the 9th, try MTT/San Francisco.

I just ordered the Ancerl First, also part of that Ancerl series. Pity he didn't record more Mahler. I particularly would have liked to heard a 5th and 6th
from him.

I'll look out for those recordings on Qobuz. If you are in the market for a new 4, do give Ivan Fischer a go. The playing is exquisite, especially in the 3rd movement. It's an SACD and his Mahler has been generally well-received.

There are still some Mahler symphonies I haven't clicked with: Mahler 6 and 7. I have Barbirolli/NPO in the 6th (a notoriously slow first movement) but I've heard faster versions (Gergiev, Tennstedt LPO 'live') but the symphony just hasn't clicked for me. Perhaps I'll give it another go tomorrow.

In the 7th, I only have Jonathan Nott. Like his 3rd, I think this is an exceptional performance with modern SACD sonics. I like parts of it, but as a complete whole - it just hasn't clicked. Of course, I'm not alone in reacting thus. Mahler's 7th has left many a classical music lover far more experienced than me befuddled, bemused and not wholly satisfied. But perhaps that's entirely the point for 'sounds of the night'.

[amateur51]

It is on Spotify

Thanks Madame Suggia

[richardfinegold]

I'll look out for those recordings on Qobuz. If you are in the market for a new 4, do give Ivan Fischer a go. The playing is exquisite, especially in the 3rd movement. It's an SACD and his Mahler has been generally well-received.

There are still some Mahler symphonies I haven't clicked with: Mahler 6 and 7. I have Barbirolli/NPO in the 6th (a notoriously slow first movement) but I've heard faster versions (Gergiev, Tennstedt LPO 'live') but the symphony just hasn't clicked for me. Perhaps I'll give it another go tomorrow.

In the 7th, I only have Jonathan Nott. Like his 3rd, I think this is an exceptional performance with modern SACD sonics. I like parts of it, but as a complete whole - it just hasn't clicked. Of course, I'm not alone in reacting thus. Mahler's 7th has left many a classical music lover far more experienced than me befuddled, bemused and not wholly satisfied. But perhaps that's entirely the point for 'sounds of the night'.

It took a while for me to appreciate the 7th as well. Horenstein and Bernstein and both superb here, but the Horenstein is a live performance so be prepared for a few flubs. MTT, Barenboim, and Abbado (multiple versions) are also good bets.

My favorite 6th is Karajan, followed by Bernstein. Barbirolli is just not fierce enough. Solti is to over the top; the low strings in the beginning are positvely snarling.

[Barbirollians]

I agree - surely you have to have Walter 's 1938 recording of Mahler 9 - and his remake and Barbirolli !

Thropplenoggin I recommend Bernstein's DG remake of Mahler 7 - opened my ears to it . One of the highlights of his DG cycle with the 1st and 5th .

[Thropplenoggin]

I agree - surely you have to have Walter 's 1938 recording of Mahler 9 - and his remake and Barbirolli !

Thropplenoggin I recommend Bernstein's DG remake of Mahler 7 - opened my ears to it . One of the highlights of his DG cycle with the 1st and 5th .

My OP compliments the Barbirolli/Berliner Philharmoniker recording, which I listened to today, B!

I have Bernstein's 5th on DG - the VPO basses at the end of the 'adagietto' get me every time. I know LB milks it for all its worth, and others play it faster now, but this is the version I fell in love with and remains the one I prefer.

I'll certainly give his 7 a go. Ditto, your suggestions Richard.

[amateur51]

I agree - surely you have to have Walter 's 1938 recording of Mahler 9 - and his remake and Barbirolli !

Thropplenoggin I recommend Bernstein's DG remake of Mahler 7 - opened my ears to it . One of the highlights of his DG cycle with the 1st and 5th .

There's a marvellous live performance of Mahler symphony no 7 conducted by Jascha Horenstein that makes complete sense to my ears of the final movement, and I think it influenced Bělohlávek's performance at the Barbican a year or so ago

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mahler-Symph...9405552&sr=1-1 what a price!

try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tscEP...e=results_main

[Thropplenoggin]

There's a marvellous live performance of Mahler symphony no 7 conducted by Jascha Horenstein that makes complete sense to my ears of the final movement, and I think it influenced Bělohlávek's performance at the Barbican a year or so ago

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mahler-Symph...9405552&sr=1-1 what a price!

try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tscEP...e=results_main

Cheers, Ams. ALL Horenstein's Mahler have skyrocketed in recent years, as these BBC Legends recordings have stopped being issued and become popular via forums like, um, this one.