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  • Bryn
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
    I am the recipient, i.e. purchaser. If I choose to give away one or more of the items later, that's up to me...
    I think your colleagues at S, G & R might think differently:

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    • teamsaint
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 25195

      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
      I think your colleagues at S, G & R might think differently:

      http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/cust...23480&pop-up=1
      There is stuff to be wary of here, I think Bryn.

      One should , if I read it properly, be very way of downloading the MP3 version before receiving (and possibly playing) the actual CD, especially if, as sometimes happens, the MP3 standalone price is high, or higher than the CD.

      Buyer beware, in fact, and especially perhaps on big box sets.
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26523

        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        I think your colleagues at S, G & R might think differently:

        http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/cust...23480&pop-up=1
        I don't think so. I ordered 6 copies of the CD. I get one free MP3 'rip'.

        As it says in that link: "After your order has been completed, the music from the comparable album will be added to your Cloud Player library in MP3 format."

        None of the CDs is marked as a "gift" - they are all coming to me. So this term does not apply: "Albums purchased in orders including one or more items marked as "gifts" at purchase are not eligible for AutoRip."

        As I say, what I choose to do with the CDs I have bought and of which I have received delivery is up to me

        Indeed, as such, I seem to be plumb within the terms of use:

        3. Use of the Service.
        3.1 Rights Granted. We grant you a non-exclusive, non-transferable right to use Matched Music only for your personal, non-commercial, entertainment use, subject to the Agreement. We do not grant you any synchronisation, public performance, promotional use, commercial sale, resale, reproduction or distribution rights for Matched Music.

        3.2 Playing and Managing Your Music with the Service. You may use the Service only for personal, non-commercial use. You may not use the Service to store, transfer or distribute content of or on behalf of third parties,


        If Messrs Sue, Grabbit & Runne would like a tilt, I would kindly invite them to make my day!
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • Thropplenoggin
          Full Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 1587

          Thanks, FHG et al. You might like to know that Denk is playing the GVs live at LSO St Luke's next May, along with the Ligeti etudes.

          It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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          • amateur51

            Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
            Thanks, FHG et al. You might like to know that Denk is playing the GVs live at LSO St Luke's next May, along with the Ligeti etudes.

            http://www.barbican.org.uk/music/eve...l.asp?ID=15654
            Great alert Throppers - many thanks.

            I'm very pleased to see in these austere times that May is happening next year - you never know, do you?!

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              Originally posted by Caliban View Post
              ... You may not use the Service to store, transfer or distribute content of or on behalf of third parties, [/I]

              If Messrs Sue, Grabbit & Runne would like a tilt, I would kindly invite them to make my day!
              This is where I think Messrs S, G & R might get their claws in. Once you have given away the CD, I think they would argue that the recipient of such gift would constituted such a third party in terms of copyright legislation. Best of luck is you do not retain any of the 6 CD/DVD pairings purchased by you. Not that I expect you, or another in such circumstances, would be detected, let alone taken to law without first being given the opportunity to remove the errant mp3s from their devices.

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                Cheers Bryn, its shot up my wish list !!
                A case of favour returned. As a result of your post I have ordered the American Mavericks SACD (via the amazon marketplace, so no complementary mp3s).

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26523

                  Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                  This is where I think Messrs S, G & R might get their claws in. Once you have given away the CD, I think they would argue that the recipient of such gift would constituted such a third party in terms of copyright legislation. Best of luck is you do not retain any of the 6 CD/DVD pairings purchased by you.
                  No, I don't think that's right at all, Mr B !

                  Just have to see you.... er... them, in Court!
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25195

                    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                    No, I don't think that's right at all, Mr B !

                    Just have to see you.... er... them, in Court!

                    Fesity words, Cals.
                    I'd rather have you for me than agin me, as my father in law used to say.

                    He had Yorkshire wisdom aplenty !!
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26523

                      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                      One should , if I read it properly, be very way of downloading the MP3 version before receiving (and possibly playing) the actual CD, especially if, as sometimes happens, the MP3 standalone price is high, or higher than the CD.

                      Buyer beware, in fact, and especially perhaps on big box sets.
                      I think that's a very good point, which I have learnt from this exchange:

                      "If you cancel your order or return this album, our normal order cancellation and product return policies will apply regarding the physical version of this album. However, if you download any of the tracks on the MP3 version of the album from your Cloud Player library (including if you have enabled auto-download to a device and any of the tracks on the MP3 version of the album auto-download), you will be considered to have purchased the MP3 version of the album from the Amazon MP3 Store (sold by Amazon Media EU Sarl) and we will charge your credit card (or other payment method) for the price of the MP3 version of the album at the time your cancellation or return is processed."

                      It does happen that I purchase a CD 'on spec' and return it as I don't like it. Haven't done so since the 'FreeMP3Rip' scheme started - but you're right: worth not downloading the MP3s until one's sure one wants the CD.

                      I've never come across an MP3 that costs more than the CD format - but that's not the point... If I don't want a recording, I don't want it for any money...
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • teamsaint
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25195

                        There are Plenty of cases where the MP3 costs more than the CD, sometimes appreciably more.




                        Check the Glenn Gould CD, just as an example.
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26523

                          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                          There are Plenty of cases where the MP3 costs more than the CD, sometimes appreciably more.


                          Check the Glenn Gould CD, just as an example.
                          Ah yes...
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • Barbirollians
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11669

                            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                            This is where I think Messrs S, G & R might get their claws in. Once you have given away the CD, I think they would argue that the recipient of such gift would constituted such a third party in terms of copyright legislation. Best of luck is you do not retain any of the 6 CD/DVD pairings purchased by you. Not that I expect you, or another in such circumstances, would be detected, let alone taken to law without first being given the opportunity to remove the errant mp3s from their devices.
                            Not at all . There is no question of copying . As a part of your contract of purchase for the CD you get the MP3 sent to your icloudplayer.

                            Giving away the CD is not copying it . I agree entirely with my learned friend.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                              Cheers Bryn - enjoy your concert & I look forward to hearing about it & your Diabelli reviews.
                              As mentioned over at r3ok.com, the concert went well and a good time was had by all. As to the Diabelli's and the sounds of various historical instruments used for recordings of them, I have six such recordings to hand at the moment. Four (Demus, Komen, Staier and Battersby) use Graf instruments or modern copies thereof. Cooper plays an 1822 Walter und Sohn, and Schiff the Brodmann (c. 1820). These pianists' approaches to the instruments vary greatly. Staier, for instance, utilises all the different bells and whistles his instrument has to offer. Schiff sticks more to the common 'pedals' of the time, making particular use of the una corda. Over the next few evenings I will try to listen to each of the six and comment further. Well, I might skip the Battersby, though it does have the distinction of being the only other such recordings paired with a second using a more modern instrument (a 1976 Steinway D). Come to think of it, I have a second recording (from a Czech radio broadcast) of a concert performance by Staier. I must try and dig that out too.

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                By the way, does anyone have any idea when Brautgam's Diabellis are likely to appear?

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