Recommending Saint-Saens

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  • amo
    • Nov 2024

    Recommending Saint-Saens

    I may be biased as I studied with her, but Christine Croshaw's recent CD of piano music by Saint-Saens (also including the c minor sonata for cello and piano) is great. Makes me wonder why we so rarely hear any of the composer's solo piano music programmed...

    Saint-Saëns: Music for Piano and Cello and Piano. Meridian: CDE84433. Buy download online. Christina Shillito (cello), Christine Croshaw (piano)
  • richardfinegold
    Full Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 7666

    #2
    SS isn't found very frequently on any concert programs on this side of the pond, excepting when a concert hall wants to show off it's pipe organ.
    Last edited by richardfinegold; 26-12-12, 18:03. Reason: typos--last time i post using an android tablet!

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    • amo

      #3
      This is very true. I'm thoroughly enjoying the recommended Saint-Saens disc here. It prompts me to explore his piano concertos...

      Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
      SS isn't found very frequently oin any concers on this side of the pond, excepting when a concert hall wants to show off it's pipe organ.

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      • richardfinegold
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        • Sep 2012
        • 7666

        #4
        Originally posted by amo View Post
        This is very true. I'm thoroughly enjoying the recommended Saint-Saens disc here. It prompts me to explore his piano concertos...

        Try the set by Aldo Ciccoloni (sp?), which I used to have on lps 30 years ago and enjoyed. i probably haven't heard a SS Piano Concerto since...

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        • LeMartinPecheur
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          • Apr 2007
          • 4717

          #5
          Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
          Try the set by Aldo Ciccoloni (sp?), which I used to have on lps 30 years ago and enjoyed. i probably haven't heard a SS Piano Concerto since...
          Lots of good sets of these concertos. Possibly the highest-rated these days is the Hough on Hyperion but Roge with Dutoit had its time. Really ought to check it out: I've had the cassettes awaiting playing for years My CD set that has kept the Roge at bay is an old French EMI mono one by Jeanne-Marie Darre(e-acute - yes, another one, I know...) which has had its advocates.
          I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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          • bluestateprommer
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            • Nov 2010
            • 3009

            #6
            Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
            SS isn't found very frequently on any concert programs on this side of the pond, excepting when a concert hall wants to show off it's pipe organ.
            The exceptions to that rule would include:

            1. Danse macabre
            2. Carnaval des animaux (usually with narrator, unfortunately)
            3. Piano Concerto No. 2
            4. "Bacchanale" from Samson et Dalila

            I once heard CS-S' Symphony No. 2 at the Concertgebouw some years back, with the Netherlands Philharmonic and Philippe Entremont, if memory serves correctly (it may not, might have to try to dig up the program). Have also heard his Violin Concerto No. 3 and the Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso live here and there.

            For the symphonies, on CD, the old Jean Martinon set on EMI seems a good recommendation. There's the Hyperion set of the 5 piano concerti with Stephen Hough also, of course.
            Last edited by bluestateprommer; 26-12-12, 22:26. Reason: remembered a few other S-S works I've heard live

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            • Petrushka
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12251

              #7
              I've only heard SS twice in the concert hall in 40 years. The 'Organ' Symphony, performers unknown, and the Piano Concerto No 2 with RPO/Previn, pianist unknown.

              I do retain a soft spot for the Living Stereo recording of the 'Organ' Symphony with Charles Munch, the Boston SO and Berj Zamkochian.
              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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              • Ferretfancy
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                • Nov 2010
                • 3487

                #8
                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                I've only heard SS twice in the concert hall in 40 years. The 'Organ' Symphony, performers unknown, and the Piano Concerto No 2 with RPO/Previn, pianist unknown.

                I do retain a soft spot for the Living Stereo recording of the 'Organ' Symphony with Charles Munch, the Boston SO and Berj Zamkochian.
                There was an excellent performance of the Piano Concerto No.2 at this year's Proms with Benjamin Grosvenor. I'm fond of this piece, which is heard fairly frequently, but the one I would like to hear in a live performance is No. 4. which does not deserve to be neglected.

                Saint-Saens wrote some excellent chamber music, notably his Sextet, the two Piano Quartets,the 1st Violin sonata and the Cello Sonata. He is often said to have been a facile composer, in the way that Mendelssohn once was. but there's nothing trivial in these works.

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                • Stanfordian
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                  • Dec 2010
                  • 9312

                  #9
                  I enjoy Saint-Saens's pair of Piano Trios. I have four versions: the Altenberg Trio Wien, Joachim Trio, Vienna Piano Trio however I feel that the finest recording is from the Florestan Trio that they recorded in 2004 at the Henry Wood Hall, London on Hyperion CDA67538. I feel that all of Saint-Saens's chamber music is well worth exploring and the series on the MDG label has some fine releases. In addition I like his sacred choral works especially the disc from The Choir of Christ’s College, Cambridge directed David Rowland titled 'Quam Dilecta' - 'French Romantic Choral Music' containing 5 of Saint-Saens's works on Regent Records REGCD 375. There is also his neglected Requiem on Chandos.

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                  • Roehre

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                    I enjoy Saint-Saens's pair of Piano Trios. ..... I feel that all of Saint-Saens's chamber music is well worth exploring and the series on the MDG label has some fine releases. In addition I like his sacred choral works.... There is also his neglected Requiem on Chandos.
                    Couldn't have said this better. But please don't forget the lovely Christmas Oratorio, IMO unjustly neglected also.

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                    • Ferretfancy
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3487

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Roehre View Post
                      Couldn't have said this better. But please don't forget the lovely Christmas Oratorio, IMO unjustly neglected also.
                      Roehre and Stanfordian,

                      Apologies for saying piano quartets in my post, it was the piano trios that I meant.

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                      • rauschwerk
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1481

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                        ...but the one I would like to hear in a live performance is No. 4. which does not deserve to be neglected.
                        Cortot thought that No. 4 was the only one really worth playing - in fact, he refused to play any of the others.

                        I read good reports of the piano trios and bought the Florestan Trio's versions. However, I was disappointed in the music and listened only a few times to each piece.

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                        • Barbirollians
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11687

                          #13
                          That Darre set is superb .

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                          • Jonathan
                            Full Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 945

                            #14
                            The box set on Hyperion with the Nash Ensemble is also excellent and includes the (frankly mad) septet and the Tarantella, as well as other more rarely heard reprtoire:

                            <p>This exciting new double album from The Nash Ensemble presents an enchanting programme of chamber music by Camille Saint-Saëns, that quintessential figure of nineteenth-century French music-making.</p> <p>At the heart of the set come the Piano Quartet and Piano Quintet, composed in 1875 and 1855, respectively. The quintet exudes a youthful confidence and swagger, the piano part leading the way, while the quartet quickly established itself as a staple of the repertory. Saint-Saëns was a passionnate promoter of his own music – being all too aware that the name of a contemporary composer on a concert bill represented the kiss of death – and brought about many performances of his own works (and those of his contemporaries, establishing the Société Nationale de Musique in 1871 for this purpose). One result of this passion for which we must be especially grateful was that Saint-Saëns frequently wrote for the ‘forces available’, and this set opens with a rare septet for trumpet, string quintet and piano (the result of a playful commission from a chamber music society known as ‘La Trompette’), a jaunty work embracing seventeenth-century dance forms within a neoclassical style (perhaps fortunately, the composer appears never to have fulfilled his original promise to the society to compose a piece for guitar and thirteen trombones).</p> <p>In the last year of his life Saint-Saëns set out to compose sonatas for each of the main woodwind instruments and piano. Those for cor anglais and flute were never written, but the sonatas for oboe, bassoon and clarinet here join with a tarantella (for flute, clarinet and piano) and a caprice (delightfully combining Danish and Russian themes and the sonorities of flute, oboe, clarinet and piano) to conclude the programme.</p>
                            Best regards,
                            Jonathan

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                            • amo

                              #15
                              Thanks for the wealth of information here. I much appreciate it. I have ordered a fine String Quartets CD recommended previously on the Naxos label. And I will certainly follow up some of these recommendations.
                              I hope some of you fellow Saint-Saens fans will listen to Christine Croshaw's disc too - its such poetic piano playing, and well chosen repertoire too.

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