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  • Sir Velo
    Full Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 3229

    #31
    Back to Klemperer.

    Did anyone hear the extracts from OK's Philharmonia cycle of the Schumann symphonies on CD Review? I have to say that this is strictly one for the Klemperer fanatics IMO. Sounded like back in the day when someone put the record player on half speed. Only the 4th had a sense of inner momentum as Richard Wigmore illustrated. Personally I'm sticking with Sawallisch.

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    • Thropplenoggin

      #32
      Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
      Back to Klemperer.

      Did anyone hear the extracts from OK's Philharmonia cycle of the Schumann symphonies on CD Review? I have to say that this is strictly one for the Klemperer fanatics IMO. Sounded like back in the day when someone put the record player on half speed. Only the 4th had a sense of inner momentum as Richard Wigmore illustrated. Personally I'm sticking with Sawallisch.
      This has been discussed on this thread, SV.

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      • cloughie
        Full Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 22122

        #33
        Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
        Back to Klemperer.

        Did anyone hear the extracts from OK's Philharmonia cycle of the Schumann symphonies on CD Review? I have to say that this is strictly one for the Klemperer fanatics IMO. Sounded like back in the day when someone put the record player on half speed. Only the 4th had a sense of inner momentum as Richard Wigmore illustrated. Personally I'm sticking with Sawallisch.
        no4 was Philharmonia and recrded much earler than the rest - 1 2 and 3 were later NPO recordings - I suspect that neither conductor nor orchestra were at their best but they are an interesting part of OK's recorded history but not a patch on his Brahms and the best of his Beethoven Symphonies.

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        • Mandryka

          #34
          Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
          You still haven't addressed the aspect of her behaviour which I find most troubling - the fact that she went to such great lengths to deny these events ever happened: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2006...secondworldwar
          Well, she would, wouldn't she?

          The fact that the article you quote appeared in a newspaper noted for its willingness to pass off scandalous rumours about artists as facts does not inspire much confidence

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          • Mandryka

            #35
            Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
            This has been discussed on this thread, SV.
            I have just re-read that article, which I now recall from when it first appeared.

            It does not convince: in his first paragraph, the writer hypotheses (Schwarzkopf....'would have been of an age'....to be impressed by Nazi paraphernalia, etc) and he continues in this vein, as if he had some special omniscient insight into the way ES thought and felt. In other words, he is a writer of fiction, not a reporter.

            ES may not have been a 'nice' person, but so what? Whatever she did or said (or may have done or said), that shouldn't stop people from appreciating her art (even though, as I have said, she does nothing for me). It is, I'd argue, absolutely essential to separate your feelings about an individual from your feelings about their personality/deeds.

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            • Pabmusic
              Full Member
              • May 2011
              • 5537

              #36
              Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
              ...Just because someone 'joined' the Nazi Party, it doesn't follow that they were Nazis (ie, believers in racial supremacy, etc)...
              Well, maybe not, but it raises a very strong suspicion, doesn't it? And that must make us a little sceptical of claims that she was an 'innocent'. I imagine that the Nazis did not accept as members people who were not of like minds - or who at least said they were.

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22122

                #37
                This thread is about OK boxes not about ES being a Nazi. I suggest going back on topic or starting a new thread maybe with the ES references transferred!

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                • Thropplenoggin

                  #38
                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  This thread is about OK boxes not about ES being a Nazi. I suggest going back on topic or starting a new thread maybe with the ES references transferred!
                  Heaven forbid that a thread might evolve into something else...

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                  • Mandryka

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                    Well, maybe not, but it raises a very strong suspicion, doesn't it? And that must make us a little sceptical of claims that she was an 'innocent'. I imagine that the Nazis did not accept as members people who were not of like minds - or who at least said they were.
                    A suspicion isn't proof, though, so all the Nazi rumours must be filed under 'speculation'.

                    Point taken about this thread:separate thread to be started.

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                    • Barbirollians
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11686

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      Perhaps the clue is in the adjective....
                      No ! You don't say

                      Returning to the Klemperer boxes I am enjoying the Romantic symphonies apart from the sluggish Schumann . The Midsummer's Night Dream in particular is marvellous as are the schubert symphony recordings .

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22122

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
                        A suspicion isn't proof, though, so all the Nazi rumours must be filed under 'speculation'.

                        Point taken about this thread:separate thread to be started.
                        Thank you.

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                        • cloughie
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22122

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                          No ! You don't say

                          Returning to the Klemperer boxes I am enjoying the Romantic symphonies apart from the sluggish Schumann . The Midsummer's Night Dream in particular is marvellous as are the schubert symphony recordings .
                          Not keen on his take on New World but this is a great box - I like the Weber overtures in the box.

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                          • amateur51

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
                            A suspicion isn't proof, though, so all the Nazi rumours must be filed under 'speculation'.

                            Point taken about this thread:separate thread to be started.
                            Oh no, please don't, you've run this subject around the block soooo often

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                            • Mandryka

                              #44
                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              Not keen on his take on New World but this is a great box - I like the Weber overtures in the box.
                              Love the whole Romantic box, ESPECIALLY the Schumann. I respond to K's 'heavy' take on this repertoire.

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26536

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
                                Love the whole Romantic box, ESPECIALLY the Schumann. I respond to K's 'heavy' take on this repertoire.


                                Profound disagreement over here, Mandy.... not with your love of it, mind.
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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