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I don't know what Frosty the Snowman thinks, but the NYPO and Alan Gilbert didn't warm me up much with their account of Nielsen's 2nd.
Broadly, whilst Gilbert glories in the climaxes he rather leaves quieter passages to look after themselves; they're very under-characterised, even anonymous. The Choleric movement is bullish rather than angry, entirely missing the essential waspish snap of the most idiomatic readings. The Phlegmatic movement rather too literally expresses its title - we look for a bucolic tipsiness here, not an evocation of rehearsal-room boredom. If I became very gloomy indeed in the midst of the following, wallowing Melancholia, it was more a case of waiting for the interminable thing to end than an emotional empathy. As Fanning put it, this "movement is distinctly lacking in flow"...
He goes on "[Gilbert] takes almost every espressivo or tranquillo as an invitation to luxuriate [...] and the result is a near-fatal loss of momentum in many of the lyrical passages". I would add that this clearly applies to the outer movements, especially damaging in the recapitulation of (i), followed by a coda whose colic is very phlegmatic indeed!
I listened to this as a 24/96 Flac file, which should be accurate as that is its native recorded format; but of course it's possible that the CD/SACD incarnations may differ in some respects. Having said that, I would not be impressed with the sound even on a plain vanilla CD. It's fairly smooth and clear, with a good dynamic range; but woodwind detail is rather distant, and there's a dullness (occasionally a bass-heaviness) to the sound which fails to give us much sense of the acoustic, and it comes vacuum-packed - all atmosphere (what little there is) taken out between the movements, and a rapid silence after the final climax and reverberation.
I have the original Blomstedt series, bought as it came out in the late 80s / early 90s, and find the performances and recordings an absolute knock-out. The first movement of No 3 is one of the ultimate orchestral demonstration tracks for me (along with the same forces' reading of the March from Hindemith's 'Symphonic Metamorphosis'). They've long exemplified what I look for in orchestral recordings (and that was the case on the equipment I had back then, and after my upgrade to Naim in 2000 - always through the same Cabasse speakers.). Electrifying.
I also have 3 & 5 by Bernstein/NYPO in that odd 'Royal Edition' with pictures by Prince Charles - and in that series I also have the Mahler 7 referred to above. Could someone summarise the above debate and advise me whether that 'Royal' edition is dodgy relative to other manifestations of those performances, and hence whether I need to junk either and if so which are the preferable remix/remasterings of the Bernstein Nielsens and Mahlers ? Thanks!
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
Could you (or Bryn who seems to get this!) explain please?
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
Could you (or Bryn who seems to get this!) explain please?
It's the Chinese (or rather Taiwanese slang) expression "white eyes". Just Google "白目" and opt for translation. That's what I did. Very apposite, I thought. I can just about count to ten in Mandarin, but that is the effective extent of my grasp of Chinese language.
Just Google "白目". That's what I did. Very apposite, I thought.
Cheers Bryn....
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
It's the Chinese (or rather Taiwanese slang) expression "white eyes". Just Google "白目" and opt for translation. That's what I did. Very apposite, I thought. I can just about count to ten in Mandarin, but that is the effective extent of my grasp of Chinese language.
Bryn,You do realise I've been in trouble with this before with Frosty the snowman don't you. Now you lot, back on topic.
Last edited by soileduk; 15-12-12, 22:33.
Reason: credit where credit is due
Caliban, see my revised message. I sort of expected folk to opt for the translate option without prompting.
Just pulling your chain, old fruit
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
The gripes of Roth is funny and witty. But then it went overboard with chinese symbols and IKEA.
Caliban, the Bernstein/Mahler NYPO have all been remixed and remastered efter the Royal Edition. His Nielsen has not been remastered.
Jayne, your "review" of the Gilbert/Nielsen is a disgrace and I think you will have to eat your words on subsequent listenings. Yes, the slow movement is very slow, but so was Chung - and all the better for it. Opinions differ, but when you don´t understand a composer´s language you might be better off not saying anything. I recently received a letter from a person who doesn´t like Nielsen´s third. How could I, he asked, say so many nice things bout it. All I could answer was that it is not necessarily the fault of the composer if people don´t like the music. It could be something lacking with the listener.
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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