My First Beethoven

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  • richardfinegold
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    • Sep 2012
    • 7749

    My First Beethoven

    Someone pointed out on a BAL thread that with so many recordings of the standard rep, it is difficult to make recommendations about which versions of works may be definitive. When I was selling records while attending the University in the 1970s, our well stocked shop had perhaps 6 complete Beethoven Symphony cycles on offer. I had heard at least some of the recordings in all of them and at least had an idea of howthey differed.
    Now there must be 50 complete cycles in the active catalog aswell as at least that many that have been deleted but are intermittently available. Even a professional critic would be hard pressed to have any familiarity with most of them.
    My first exposure to LvB symphonies was by listening to albums that my older sister or parents had acquired. After a while I wanted my own set and purchased the excellent Szell/Cleveland, which a few years later was followed by the more disappointing Solti/Chicago set. In the last 30 years many more cycles and individual recordings of isolated symphonies have been acquired. Looking back I'm surprised just how well some of those initial recordings have held up in my affections, especially considering thatthese were low budget issues that I was playing on a mass market appliance stereo that probably retailed for $30 back then.
    Here are my first loves and current favorites.
    #1-My first exposure was the Szell recording in the aforementioned complete cycle. It is still my favorite, although I have to say I don't think that I've ever heard a recording of this effervescent work that I didn't like.
    #2- my sister had an everest reissue of Krips and the LSO in 2/4. I have that cycle and those are wonderful recordings. Only recently did I become aware that these are audiophile recordings, having been made with film tape. Szell is my favorite here, but these days I listen primarily to Vanska.
    #3 My sister for $1 acquired Furtwangler/VPO 1944. I had no idea who Furtwangler was and it was only years later as I read the small print on the budget label that I realized this was a live performance made during the darkest hours of WWII. This version has ruined me for life on the Eroica, as no other recording seems to reproduce the life and death struggle that is on offer here. I purchased this in a modern digital restoration and the scrubbing didn't enhance it for me. The old noisy pressing seemed to have the sound of tanks and aeroplanes nearby.
    Still my favorite Eroica. Monteux (LSO or Concertegbouw) and Hogwood are my next choices. Lately I've been listening a lot to Andrew Manze.
    #4 The Krips and Szell recordings are still my favorites, but lately Herreweghe and Blomstedt have been enjoying my attention.
    #5-My parents had a mono Vox recording of Otto Klemperer and god knows what orchestra. I haven't heard it since my teens. This is a surprisingly difficult one to bring off. Several of my complete sets are unsatisfactory--Solti, Monteux and Blomstedt in particular. the safe choice here is Kleiber/VPO. Szell is a bit to hurried in I and IV.
    #6-My sister had Hans Swarowsky and some weirdly named Vienna Orchestra that was probably the VPO under a different name. I enjoyed it
    but again it's been a dogs age. Szell not good here--a cold icy jog through the woods-but he was a lot better than Solti, who simply murdered the peasants and everyone else in his path (perhaps he thought it was Mahler's 6th). Bruno Walter became the standard for the Viennese
    gemultlich treatment, and then Monteux supplanted him and is still my favorite. Hogwood gets trotted out when I want the piquancy of period sound.
    #7--My sister had a great one here--Bernstein/NYP. I thought that Szell was to fast in II, but now I've adjusted to that and it's moved up the list for me. The best was Solti/CSO, surely the highlight of that cycle. Nowadays to many conductors rush the finale to much.
    #8--this has been discussed in another thread. Szell was my first exposure here and still reigns supreme.
    #9--The Mighty Ninth. My parents had a Vox Horenstein recording that still holds up nicely. One of my friends in High School brought over his parents Koussevitzky/Boston SO recording on 78s, along with one of those old horn players to play it on. He was barely 5 feet tall and I remember him struggling with all that stuff. We loved it. Szell was off here, and my next favorite was Toscanini. The Furtwangler WWII
    recording is a special experience; Beethoven as a precursor to passing the Gates of Hell.
    Eventually Blomstedt and Jochum entered as well played/sung standard versions .

    1,2 and 4 are the most "conductor proof" in that I can't recall ever hearing a recording or performance that i didn't like. #8 is almost that way, but some conductors seem to miss the point in II. #7 usually satisfies except for the aforementioned remark about speedy tempos in IV. 3,5,6 and 9 must be the hardest to bring off, because there certainly are plenty of bad recordings of them.

    What are other people's your first loves and current favorites?
  • Roehre

    #2
    Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
    ... My first exposure to LvB symphonies was by listening to albums that my older sister or parents had acquired. After a while I wanted my own set and purchased the excellent Szell/Cleveland, which a few years later was followed by the more disappointing Solti/Chicago set. In the last 30 years many more cycles and individual recordings of isolated symphonies have been acquired. Looking back I'm surprised just how well some of those initial recordings have held up in my affections....
    I am not surprised at all, as with music quite often the very first performance/record of a work sticks into one's mind in a way similar to one's first love: never to be forgotten and often unconsciously the measure along with all others are laid.
    By chance the music which drew me into the world of classical music (in december 1970) were Leonore III and no.2 which I heard/saw on Tele in a videoed recording by Kubelik and the Concertgebouw Orchestra (some time ago released on DVD, btw)
    And: Surprise, surprise: I never have heard better performances of these works.
    One's memory plays tricks with one's tastes......

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    • Thropplenoggin

      #3
      A very enjoyable read, Richard. I'll respond soon with my own experiences.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #4
        First encounters:

        1 & 6; RPO/Charles Groves (small LPs issued with The Great Musicians magazines (including essays written by Robert Simpson)
        5, 8 & 9; BPO/Cluytens (CfP)
        3; Paris Conservatoire/Monteux (DECCA)
        2 & 4: PO/Klemperer
        7 - a concert by the BBC Northern SO/Raymond Leppard

        ... all bought between the ages of 12 - 18. At University, I bought the '70s Karajan set and this, with his '60s set and Bernstein's DG cycle with the VPO, formed the way I thought of these works in my young adulthood, supplemented by individual recordings by Toscanini, Furtwangler, Morris, Bohm, Stokowski, Szell, Kleiber, Walter, Norrington and Hogwood.

        Last Christmas, the love started all over again with Krivine!
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        • John Shelton

          #5
          The Cluytens on CFP (especially 6. And I recall the cover of 4; a chocolate coloured painted stove).

          Also some of Kletzki's Czech PO Supraphon lps in a W.H.Smith sale.

          Now it's on period instruments Krivine, Brüggen (haven't heard the new set but will), Immerseel, and Norrington's modern instrument set. Also Gielen's second set (on Hannssler, as with Norrington).

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          • John Shelton

            #6
            Originally posted by Roehre View Post
            By chance the music which drew me into the world of classical music (in december 1970) were Leonore III and no.2 which I heard/saw on Tele in a videoed recording by Kubelik and the Concertgebouw Orchestra
            Roehre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56fnRnDQMT8 ?

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            • visualnickmos
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3614

              #7
              My first LvB was the Cfp LP of 5 and 8 with the BPO/Cluytens and played to extinction on my parents mid-fifties Fergusson radiogram/record player. The stylus arm wasn't lightweight or balanced so after a time the record got quite worn down! Although the tone was quite good...

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #8
                The first Beethoven LP in the house when I was around 9 years old was of the 5th and the final movement of the 9th (Schuricht). My father could only afford the one disc at the time and he never did get round to buying that with the fist three movements of the 9th. My own first purchases of Beethoven symphonies came some years later, when at the age of 14 I went on a school exchange to Orleans. While there I bought a "Richesse Classique" LP of the 5th and 8th conducted by 'Hans Ritter' (an unfortunate choice of pseudonym for Hans Swarowsky, I am now given to understand). I also bought a 10" LP of the Pastoral conducted by van Otterloo. My first complete surveys, bought over the next couple of years, was the Konwitschny, on Fontana. I also got the Groves 10" discs of the 1st and 6th already mentioned.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20575

                  #9
                  I assembled a symphony cycle from the cheapest possible resources, including a 12s:6d version of the 9th with the Amsterdam Philharmonic and a conductor I can't remember. . Then I bought the Schmidt-Isserstedt cycle on 6 Decca LPs in 1971 - still one of my favourite sets. The VPO/Bohm set soon followed and I foolishly gave the S-I version away. Yet I never liked the Bohm, despite its critical acclaim.
                  When CDs were launched I went for what I though was the best of everything - Furtwangler's 9th, Kleiber's Eroica, Karajan's 7th, Walter's 4th & 5th, Abbado's Pastoral, etc.

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                  • Flosshilde
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7988

                    #10
                    Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                    Someone pointed out on a BAL thread that with so many recordings of the standard rep, it is difficult to make recommendations about which versions of works may be definitive.
                    & with so many new recording of many works, the 'definitive' recording often doesn't remain definitive for long. A reviewer on CD Review on Saturday, talking about Beethoven symphonies I think, commented that a recording that seemed great at first might eventually become not so great after you'd got used to it.

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      Yet I never liked the Bohm, despite its critical acclaim.
                      Nor I, Alpie; I bought the LP set when Richard Osborne praised it on a BaL devoted to the Beethoven Symphony sets in the early '80s (with Karajan '70s and Bernstein/VPO - a trio of DG sets which he was very enthusiastic about). RO completely "dissed" the Cluytens set: he said that people made too many allowances because it was so cheap! Just shows how even the most respected commentators get it completely and utterly WRONG on occasion! (I still get a lot from the Karajan and Bernstein sets, but Cluytens beats Bohm on almost every point for me.)
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                      • akiralx
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                        • Oct 2011
                        • 429

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hey Nonymous View Post
                        Now it's on period instruments Krivine, Brüggen (haven't heard the new set but will), Immerseel, and Norrington's modern instrument set.
                        If you mean Brüggen's new SACD set on Glossa I would sample before buying - reviews I have seen imply it is rather dull.

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                        • Roehre

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Hey Nonymous View Post

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                          • Barbirollians
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11763

                            #14
                            The Halle/Loughran on ASV . I know many like it but I was never that thrilled by the performances and the old fashioned side break in the Eroica was immensely annoying. Next buys were Ashkenazy's underrated 5-7 . Carlos Kleiber's magnificent Seventh and his dad's awesome VPO/Eroica .

                            Then along came Jochum on EMI Eminence in 1,2,3,5,6 and 9 - never got the others until his recent Icon box - Bohm's fabulous Pastoral ( by miles the best of his set ) Karajan's 1962 2,4, & 8 - and Klemperer's mono 3,5 & 7 and then Furtwangler, Cluytens etc etc ...

                            RO was very wrong about Cluytens and I get the feeling from a more recent review - when he was not over enthusiastic about the mono Pastoral on Testament that his remarks about the stereo set suggested he had reconsidered a bit .

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                            • Petrushka
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12332

                              #15
                              I came to Beethoven very slowly. First up in 1970 was a Konwitschny double LP on Fontana of 6 & 9 - which had a very silly side-break in the peasant's merrymaking movement of the Pastoral. I then bought Furtwangler's incandescent 1944 Eroica and 1942 Fifth. Carlos Kleiber's 5th was a revelation as was his 1977 account of the 7th. It is only quite recently that Beethoven has assumed this huge importance for me and I have several complete cycles as well as nearly 60 versuins of the Choral.

                              I bought the Cluytens set just a couple of years ago and was bowled over by the magnificent playing of the BPO - oboe especially - that marks it out as superior in many respects to the much vaunted 1962 Karajan set. The Chailly set has grown on me as well, a great achievement in my view.
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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