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  • amateur51

    A modest slice off the price of Barbirolli Society CDs from MDT



    Every little helps ...

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    • Barbirollians
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      • Nov 2010
      • 11697

      On the train to London yesterday after listening to the podcast of the BAL Mahler 6 I thought I would give the Barbirolli Mahler 5 another listen .

      I really warmed to it . The finale in particular is a delight and the Adagietto is not in anyway self-indulgent . I have always been a Bernstein VPO man in this work but I did get a real sense of why this record was such a hit back in the late 60s .

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      • Thropplenoggin

        I was thinking of investing in the Barbirolli/Baker Dream of Gerontius, as I don't yet own a copy (although am familiar with the work). I think Barbirolli is a solid Elgarian - I have a box set containing all the orchestral works - but my only hesitation is the sound quality in the crescendos, where it seems to suffer from distortion, a sort of sonic flaring, like the microphones blowing out, unable to cope with the volume e.g. 'Praise to the Holiest' in the second part.

        I'm listening with headphones via Qobuz, a music-streaming service, and I wonder whether the actual CD suffers from this issue.

        Obviously, the well-received and fairly recent Mark Elder/Hallé recording doesn't suffer from these issues and is also tempting but is much more expensive!
        Last edited by Guest; 17-02-13, 19:56.

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        • Mahler's3rd

          I think his Mahler Interpretations are quite superb, and the Sibelius Box set is unsurpassed on EMI, just fantastic. Im trying to find some of his Proms recordings, the Bruckner 8 from the Royal Festival Hall also electric

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          • JFLL
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            • Jan 2011
            • 780

            This may have been already touched on (if so, apologies). I've just received the EMI Barbirolli Sibelius box and no 'Tapiola'. Did Barbirolli ever record it?

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            • Karafan
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 786

              Originally posted by JFLL View Post
              This may have been already touched on (if so, apologies). I've just received the EMI Barbirolli Sibelius box and no 'Tapiola'. Did Barbirolli ever record it?
              No. I don't think he did record it; though he definitely conducted it (certainly at Belle Vue with the Halle in the late 1940s and possibly at other times too - it is mentioned in Kennedy's biography).
              "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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              • Barbirollians
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                • Nov 2010
                • 11697

                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                I said on another thread that Shipway conducts the Alpine Symphony as I imagine Sir John might have done.
                Did you ? I have searched for your post but cannot find it . Quite tempted to get this .

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                • pastoralguy
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7760

                  Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                  On the train to London yesterday after listening to the podcast of the BAL Mahler 6 I thought I would give the Barbirolli Mahler 5 another listen .

                  I really warmed to it . The finale in particular is a delight and the Adagietto is not in anyway self-indulgent . I have always been a Bernstein VPO man in this work but I did get a real sense of why this record was such a hit back in the late 60s .
                  There's a wonderful bit in the scherzo where you can hear Sir John moaning and groaning with the 'cellos and basses...

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                  • johnb
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                    • Mar 2007
                    • 2903

                    Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                    There's a wonderful bit in the scherzo where you can hear Sir John moaning and groaning with the 'cellos and basses...
                    He is very restrained in his recordings in comparison to how I remember him live at the Free Trade Hall when I was a teenager.

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                    • Barbirollians
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11697

                      Indeed PG - he can also be heard groaning away when you listen to that BBC legends Mahler 4 - adds wonderfully to the atmosphere !

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                      • amateur51

                        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                        Indeed PG - he can also be heard groaning away when you listen to that BBC legends Mahler 4 - adds wonderfully to the atmosphere !
                        I completely agree but I do understand that for some it is a deal-breaker

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                        • Barbirollians
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11697

                          The VW 4 recently released on Barb Society is quite stunning - so different from the composer much slower but intense and extraordinary .

                          A great shame he and the Halle were not given a chance to record a complete studio set .

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                          • Colonel Danby
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 356

                            My mother went as a small girl with my grandfather to Bellevue in Manchester to hear "glorióus" John Barbirolli conduct with the Halle on numerous occasions in the early fifties: I was green with envy with her tales of his work. My favourite recording of his has to be the Enigma Variations with the Philharmonia on EMI. A great man

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                            • Tony Halstead
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1717

                              What a pity that your favourite Barbirolli recording isn't one with his beloved Hallé...
                              As you are clearly an Elgar lover, I earnestly recommend that you track down the sublime Barbirolli / Hallé 'Introduction and Allegro' dating from about 1957 in 'early but excellent' stereo, originally on a 'Pye' LP but re-released several times on CD.



                              It's a totally breathtaking performance that IMHO knocks the later EMI 'Sinfonia of London' ( a 'pick-up band') recording 'for six'.

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                              • Colonel Danby
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 356

                                I have a CD transfer tape of Lenny's Mahler 5 from the Albert Hall: unfortunately I didn't quite manage to get into the arena as they closed the doors just as I was going to enter, but the broadcast has the benefit of the wonderful Susan Sharp and Donald Macleod live on Radio Three. The performance itself was quite glorious: slow obviously but sublime notwithstanding. I never saw Bernstein live, which fault I shall carry to my dying day, but I have loads of his stuff both as composer and conducter.

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