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  • Thropplenoggin
    • Nov 2024

    How Unbiased Is The Criticism on CD Review

    A recent thread by ardcarp in which he laments the lack of disagreement on CD Review when you McGregor discusses new releases with a guest commentator struck a chord (a Neapolitan sixth, no less).

    I've often wondered how reliable the criticism is on CD Review. A recent instance was the gushing over home-grown talent like Paul Lewis. I can't imagine a release by Paul Lewis ever being given a detached critique. A frequent bugbear of Amazon.com reviewers is how Gramophone automatically lavishes praise on new releases by English conductors - JEG being, perhaps, the most notable. I'm often minded of Private Eye's yearly 'log-rolling' issue, in which they list the links between puffs by authors in their 'Book of the Year' lists and publishing houses, agents, friends, etc.

    Another noticeable facet of BaL is how often the same names crop up again and again as the first choice. Scrolling through this list, you see the same names cropping up for wildly differing repertoire. You can watch trends emerging, how HIP names become hip, with Harnoncourt, Norrington and JEG immediately apparent. What strikes me is how can one conductor - and I'm thinking here of JEG - be the first choice for so many different musical genres: Early Baroque and Late Romantic, say?

    There was an article stating that Amazon reviews are just as "reliable" a source of criticism as newspaper and magazines (not difficult when you see the paltry three lines that makes up a Guardian classical CD review!). Although the star system can be 'gamed' - by authors (see the Orlando Figes debacle), record labels, etc. or lunatics like this crétin des Alpes with his 'communiques from the Bach front', frothing at the mouth with 1-star on every JEG release - I have found some very balanced and in-depth reviews on Amazon.

    For me, the beauty of the Internet is skipping around and reading a range of different opinions hither and thither and, best of all, using Spotify to sample for myself (assuming its available on there - Harmonia Mundi aren't).

    So, what criticism do you find reliable and/or suitably detached from bias, commercial interest, etc.?
  • amateur51

    #2
    Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
    A recent thread by ardcarp in which he laments the lack of disagreement on CD Review when you McGregor discusses new releases with a guest commentator struck a chord (a Neapolitan sixth, no less).

    I've often wondered how reliable the criticism is on CD Review. A recent instance was the gushing over home-grown talent like Paul Lewis. I can't imagine a release by Paul Lewis ever being given a detached critique. A frequent bugbear of Amazon.com reviewers is how Gramophone automatically lavishes praise on new releases by English conductors - JEG being, perhaps, the most notable. I'm often minded of Private Eye's yearly 'log-rolling' issue, in which they list the links between puffs by authors in their 'Book of the Year' lists and publishing houses, agents, friends, etc.

    Another noticeable facet of BaL is how often the same names crop up again and again as the first choice. Scrolling through this list, you see the same names cropping up for wildly differing repertoire. You can watch trends emerging, how HIP names become hip, with Harnoncourt, Norrington and JEG immediately apparent. What strikes me is how can one conductor - and I'm thinking here of JEG - be the first choice for so many different musical genres: Early Baroque and Late Romantic, say?

    There was an article stating that Amazon reviews are just as "reliable" a source of criticism as newspaper and magazines (not difficult when you see the paltry three lines that makes up a Guardian classical CD review!). Although review can be 'gamed' -by authors (see the Orlando Figes debacle), record labels, etc. or lunatics like this crétin des Alpes with his 'communiques from the Bach front', frothing at the mouth with 1-star on every JEG release, I have found some very balanced and in-depth reviews on Amazon.

    For me, the beauty of the Internet is skipping around and reading a range of different opinions hither and thither and, best of all, using Spotify to sample for myself (assuming its available on there - Harmonia Mundi aren't).

    So, what criticism do you find reliable and/or suitably detached from bias, commercial interest, etc.?
    I wonder if you recall the squeals of horror on this Board when Roy Goodman 'did' recordings of Beethoven violin concerto recently or when Joseph 'Dummy Keyboard' Cooper hailed the recording of Beethoven piano concerto number 5 by Hanae Nakajima with conductor Rato Tschupp on the Windmill label as his top choice?

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    • mikealdren
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 1201

      #3
      The big advantage of CD review is that we can hear the excerpts and make our own comparisons. And of course, as this board shows, we don't always agree with the reviewers.

      Joesph Cooper's famous Emperor programme must have been in the early 1970s (I've still got the LP!) so that shows how quick we are to forgive!

      Mike

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20570

        #4
        It's impossible for any reviewer to be completely "unbiased", though I thought Roy Goodman might have tried a bit harder for that Beethoven Violin Concerto BaL.

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        • jayne lee wilson
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 10711

          #5
          Yes, it is fun getting a consensus from internet sources, but I'd go in fear of trusting personal reviews on Amazon (including mine, naturally...)

          Otherwise it's just a handful of trusted Old Gramophonians - Richard Osborne, Cowan, David Gutman, Andrew Ashenbach, Robert Layton when he still bothers... Andrew Clements in The Guardian is pretty reliable too.
          Whilst I subscribe to and appreciate IRR I'm sorry to say I don't quite feel the same about some of theirs... Gutman writes for both of course.

          Online excerpts can help, always seek them out...

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          • Alison
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 6459

            #6
            I had to check to see if Richard Osborne was still on the Gramophone panel. He is.

            He hasn't conributed much of late.

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            • amateur51

              #7
              Originally posted by Alison View Post
              I had to check to see if Richard Osborne was still on the Gramophone panel. He is.

              He hasn't conributed much of late.
              He's usually only available for Bruckner, Brahms and ... Rossini

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              • DracoM
                Host
                • Mar 2007
                • 12978

                #8
                Part of it could be that the same 'name' critics meet musicians, record companies, agents, BBC, CFM, promoters all the time. So it is a very close circle. Everybody knows everybody else. How a new label, new ensemble, new conductor etc breaks in without this 'mafia' is a very moot point, BUT once 'in', you will always get reviewed, and it is very likely that you will never get a bad review.

                Has a current big name reviewer ever given a bad review to a current big name player / ensemble / soloist? Would they dare?

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                • Thropplenoggin

                  #9
                  3 of 5 people found the following review helpful
                  So why only 4 stars?, 28 Aug 2009
                  By Steve "Steve"

                  This review is from: Bach: Brandenburg Concertos; Orchestral Suites (Audio CD)

                  Here's why.

                  Well the majority of this performance and recording is absolutely top notch. But the first couple of minutes of the first concerto sometimes sound a little awkward. There are one or two timing issues and a bit of a duff note from the string section at bar 8, 22 seconds in ( sorry to be so picky - but this is not a cheap CD.)
                  Wow, "Steve". Just wow.

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                  • amateur51

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                    Part of it could be that the same 'name' critics meet musicians, record companies, agents, BBC, CFM, promoters all the time. So it is a very close circle. Everybody knows everybody else. How a new label, new ensemble, new conductor etc breaks in without this 'mafia' is a very moot point, BUT once 'in', you will always get reviewed, and it is very likely that you will never get a bad review.

                    Has a current big name reviewer ever given a bad review to a current big name player / ensemble / soloist? Would they dare?
                    If memory serves, Sir Simon Rattle gets a fairly regular roasting in Gramophone, e.g., Edward Seckerson on Rattle's more recent account of Mahler symphony no 2 and he was similarly less than impressed on BaL/CDR too.
                    Last edited by Guest; 07-10-12, 17:48. Reason: trypos

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                    • PJPJ
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1461

                      #11
                      Then again, Edward Seckerson gets a fairly regular roasting here.........

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                      • Alison
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 6459

                        #12
                        There was a time when Rattle was seemingly beyond criticism in the pages of Gramophone.

                        It was almost embarrassing. Well done to whoever bucked that trend first.

                        Now I am waiting to see who is brave enough to criticise Nicola Benedetti !

                        I feel some critics are lemmings ... so it only takes one ....
                        Last edited by Alison; 07-10-12, 19:06.

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                        • VodkaDilc

                          #13
                          Originally posted by PJPJ View Post
                          Then again, Edward Seckerson gets a fairly regular roasting here.........

                          Why? He's unsurpassed on Bernstein, Mahler and others.

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                          • VodkaDilc

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                            Whilst I subscribe to and appreciate IRR I'm sorry to say I don't quite feel the same about some of theirs... Gutman writes for both of course.

                            .
                            IRR has some outstanding contributors: Nicholas Anderson, Simon Heighes, Robert Layton, Marc Rochester, John Warrack, Robert Matthew-Walker to name just the first six who spring to mind. And, more importantly, they are given the space to review in depth.

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                            • Old Grumpy
                              Full Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 3619

                              #15
                              Can there be such a thing as unbiased criticism? After all any criticism is, by its very nature, one person's opinion. I mainly buy CDs in the jazz genre (so not featured on CD review). I think reviews on Amazon are helpful, as are those in the Guardian. Opinion on this forum is also informative. If the music can be sampled online/on air before purchase, then that is an added bonus. After time one learns which critics opinions are similar to one's own.

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