Reissues - either forthcoming or ones you'd like to see re-released

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I wax lyrically about the Krivine set at every possible opportunity - a miraculous set of performances that manage somehow to communicate the sheer joy of this Music whilst losing none of its profundity. Recommended with all possible enthusiasm.

Beware the youTube videos: they omit the Exposition repeats that are included in the CDs.

[Bryn]

Krivine's performances may alternatively be seen on YouTube, in good vision and sound (for YouTube). I have certainly enjoyed them hugely.

As mentioned in Message 88, these are later performances than those on the CDs. For whatever reason, Krivine takes a different approach to the question of repeats, and indeed to tempi in these later performances. Those on YouTube are taken from single performances. Those on CD from up to 3 each, and even from different venues in the same symphony. You'll be hard put to hear the edits, however.

[Dave2002]

The price seems good, and these do seem highly recommended. However, I thought there were also some other "must have" performances, such as those by Immerseel, which are currently similarly priced at the river. Comments?

[Bryn]

The price seems good, and these do seem highly recommended. However, I thought there were also some other "must have" performances, such as those by Immerseel, which are currently similarly priced at the river. Comments?

Well yes, both qualify as "must haves" in my book, but of the two it's the Krivine I would most miss, I think.

[Dave2002]

The La Chambre Philharmonique / Krivine Beethoven Symphony cycle appears to be available again, for anyone who may be interested but missed it the first time around.

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Naive/V5258

Most probably slightly cheaper still here - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Co...4918116&sr=8-1 - though there are some other good deals on the presto site.

[Thropplenoggin]

The price seems good, and these do seem highly recommended. However, I thought there were also some other "must have" performances, such as those by Immerseel, which are currently similarly priced at the river. Comments?

A dissenting voice. Sorry to spoil the all-round hagiography herein, but I've struggled to get on with Krivine's cycle. I'm not averse to HIP Beethoven, far from it (I have Hogwood's excellent AAM cycle, which I know is pre-Del Mar revisions), but there is something about this set - the string sound, for one, grates these ears; there is an airiness, a gossamer quality, as if this was all High Classical stuff when much of it is early Romantic. They don't make it sound Romantic - emotional turmoil, life/death, etc. It sounds, well, quaint, proper, well-dressed for High Tea. I don't like my Beethoven quaint and well-dressed, all set for a cup of Orange Pekoe and a plate of cucumber sandwiches, cut into triangles and minus the crust.

The Immerseel, however, is much more potent stuff - Beethoven qui en a, if you'll excuse the crude expression - and does, I believe, employ the post-Del Mar revisions to the scores.

[Barbirollians]

A dissenting voice. Sorry to spoil the all-round hagiography herein, but I've struggled to get on with Krivine's cycle. I'm not averse to HIP Beethoven, far from it (I have Hogwood's excellent AAM cycle, which I know is pre-Del Mar revisions), but there is something about this set - the string sound, for one, grates these ears; there is an airiness, a gossamer quality, as if this was all High Classical stuff when much of it is early Romantic. They don't make it sound Romantic - emotional turmoil, life/death, etc. It sounds, well, quaint, proper, well-dressed for High Tea. I don't like my Beethoven quaint and well-dressed, all set for a cup of Orange Pekoe and a plate of cucumber sandwiches, cut into triangles and minus the crust.



The Immerseel, however, is much more potent stuff - Beethoven qui en a, if you'll excuse the crude expression - and does, I believe, employ the post-Del Mar revisions to the scores.

Throps - one of your finest posts !

I am wary of Immerseel after that Symphonie Fantastique with the pianos !

[Thropplenoggin]

Throps - one of your finest posts !

I am wary of Immerseel after that Symphonie Fantastique with the pianos !

Thanks.

Immerseel's Beethoven is worth a free streamed listen - it's available on YouTube, Qobuz, Spotify. Not aware of his Berlioz, though have read mixed reports of his Debussy.

[HighlandDougie]

Thanks.

though have read mixed reports of his Debussy.

Having been throughly put-off Anima Eterna and Jos van Immerseel by his Berlioz (the Érard pianos come as a shock - and not a pleasant one either), I've now become a big fan, not least of their Beethoven cycle. I'm glad that Thropps isn't the only one to find the plaudits heaped on Krivine puzzling. I bought it on the strength of Rob Cowan's recommendation in the Gramophone and have felt little urge to listen to much of it again.** I don't much like relatively dry and airless recordings anyway and I find it all a bit joyless. Whereas J van I has the beautiful acoustic of the Bruges Concertgebouw, a rather better orchestra and, in my very unhumble opinion, creates a Beethoven cycle which brings out all the, to quote Thropps, "emotional turmoil", which is at the heart of this astonishingly radical music. The Anima Eterna approach of scrupulously researching the performance style and, in as much as one can attempt to reproduce it in the twenty-first century, sound of when the music was written does produce the odd, well, curate's egg (the Symphonie Fantastique) but otherwise is revelatory. Try their Rimsky-Korsakov (and the Debussy, Liszt, Tchaikovsky, Poulenc .....).

** free to a good home so if anyone wants it, PM me and I'll stick it in the post

*** now sold to the gent in the rather fine hat

[MickyD]

Interesting, I was shortly about to buy the Krivine set, but was immediately put off by Dougie's remarks about "dry and airless recordings"....that is something I can't stand either. Like Thropps, I am still fond of the Hogwood set, but am also tempted by that by the Hanover Band. I know their recordings are often considered too reverberant, but I find many of their discs (especially the earlier ones for Nimbus) to be rather thrilling, despite the various warts. Maybe I'll go for that rather than the Krivine.

[Thropplenoggin]

Abbado's Gurrelieder with the VPO, which I believe was the BaL choice, is being re-issued on DG: http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/A...quence/4807055

For those wanting to preview, it can be streamed on Qobuz here: http://player.qobuz.com/#!/album/0002894399442

[amateur51]

EMI has released the bulk of its Celibidache motherload but when is DGG going to follow suit?

[cloughie]

EMI has released the bulk of its Celibidache motherload but when is DGG going to follow suit?

...and at an affordable price?

[amateur51]

...and at an affordable price?

Definitely, cloughie

[Pianoman]

As per the original thread, the one recording we piano lovers have banged on for years about is the Lazar Berman double of Liszt Transcendental Studies on EMI. I stupidly gave the LPs away years ago and assumed we'd see it one day on CD - never happened...

Well this finally came out in a transfer that is at best reasonable; I may still cadge the LPs from a friend and have a go myself...