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  • pastoralguy
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7766

    Karajan in the 60's...

    Anyone else interested in obtaining this behemoth? My finger keeps hovering over the 'Buy now' button on Amazon but common sense keeps getting in the way.
  • PJPJ
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    • Nov 2010
    • 1461

    #2
    Interested, but it would involve more duplication than even I can justify......

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    • Alison
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      • Nov 2010
      • 6459

      #3
      Petrushka took the plunge I believe . . .

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      • Dave2002
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 18025

        #4
        Seems similar to the EMI set I bought recently, with a similar number of CDs but costs about 75% more. Arguably good value if you like that sort of thing! May not have quite so many duplicates as the EMI box and covers a shorter period. I might ask for the opera and choral box (EMI) for Christmas. The Decca Karajan box has a higher cost/CD ratio and only 9 CDs.

        I'm still chugging through the EMI orchestral music set slowly - but at least it's out of the wrapper.

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        • BBMmk2
          Late Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          #5
          I saw this, and thught would'nt it be great idea and that was it. Bascially because of all the duplications and the first recording of Le Sacre that HvK did, which also put me off.
          Don’t cry for me
          I go where music was born

          J S Bach 1685-1750

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          • Stunsworth
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1553

            #6
            There's also a big box - 117 CDs - due out later this month...



            I assume from the date range, and the fact that it's not from one of the majors, that it's of recordings that are now out of copyright. The price may drop once it becomes available.
            Steve

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            • Parry1912
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 963

              #7
              Worth remembering that many of the CDs in the DG box are rather short (less than 40 mins in some cases).
              Del boy: “Get in, get out, don’t look back. That’s my motto!”

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              • Alf-Prufrock

                #8
                I seem to have at least half of the recordings already, some of them bought nearly thirty years ago! I wonder at whom these boxes are aimed. Perhaps the people like myself who won't listen to all the discs? (see accompanying thread!)

                And I would not count myself as one of Karajan's most ardent admirers. He just did things to so professional a level and with a great orchestra to do his bidding.

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                • Thomas Roth

                  #9
                  I have this box and it is very beautiful to look at. The CD´s are not remastered and quite a few sound a bit shrill. Also at the end of the first movement of the Tchaikovsky 4 some 25 seconds of music is missing. The repeat is not played. One bar is missing in the Honegger 3, as it was in The Originals release.

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                  • Pianorak
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3127

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Alf-Prufrock View Post
                    . . . And I would not count myself as one of Karajan's most ardent admirers. . .
                    You are not alone.

                    Unwittingly, he had filled the void left by the death of Hitler in that part of the German psyche which craves for a leader. His behaviour conformed to a pattern. He was unpredictable, ruthless and outspoken.
                    He was exceptionally intelligent and took great care of his appearance . . . He moved everywhere with a circle of sycophants . . . It is impossible to reconcile such personality defects with such a powerful musical mind, and on a bad day it was daunting to see that the defects could assume command and influence his artistic judgment.


                    (John Culshaw on Herbert von Karajan)
                    My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                    • amateur51

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                      You are not alone.

                      Unwittingly, he had filled the void left by the death of Hitler in that part of the German psyche which craves for a leader. His behaviour conformed to a pattern. He was unpredictable, ruthless and outspoken.
                      He was exceptionally intelligent and took great care of his appearance . . . He moved everywhere with a circle of sycophants . . . It is impossible to reconcile such personality defects with such a powerful musical mind, and on a bad day it was daunting to see that the defects could assume command and influence his artistic judgment.


                      (John Culshaw on Herbert von Karajan)
                      Crikey what an analysis! Was this from one of Culshaw's books, Pianorak?

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                      • Pianorak
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3127

                        #12
                        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                        Crikey what an analysis! Was this from one of Culshaw's books, Pianorak?
                        Most likely from Ring Resounding, but would have to check.
                        My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                        • amateur51

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                          Most likely from Ring Resounding, but would have to check.
                          Cheers

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                          • Dave2002
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 18025

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Thomas Roth View Post
                            I have this box and it is very beautiful to look at. The CD´s are not remastered and quite a few sound a bit shrill. Also at the end of the first movement of the Tchaikovsky 4 some 25 seconds of music is missing. The repeat is not played. One bar is missing in the Honegger 3, as it was in The Originals release.
                            Seems a bit scrappy. EMI even went to the trouble of patching in a horn section many years later in their Barbirolli Mahler 5. I'm guessing DG have the missing bits, but ..... *****!

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                              Most likely from Ring Resounding, but would have to check.
                              Putting the Record Straight, IIRC; Culshaw's autobiography in which he also describes how he refused to carry Karajan's coat on their first meeting. This earned him Herbie's respect, but also probably put paid to his extending his contract with DECCA once it ran out: the temptation to work with people (at EMI and DG) over whom he had more control proved too great.
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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