Barbirolli conducts the Brahms 2 with the BPO ... in Coventry Cathedral!

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  • Karafan
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    • Nov 2010
    • 786

    Barbirolli conducts the Brahms 2 with the BPO ... in Coventry Cathedral!

    Well my fellow musiclovers (Barbirollians especially), this little gem has slipped in under the wire with remarkably (and unjustifiably little) fanfare!

    A good friend recently alerted me to the fact that Testament had issued a Brahms second symphony from 1962 with JB conducting the BPO no less. The concert from 6th June that year was a bridge-building affair between the City of Berlin/the Federal Republic of Germany and the still bomb-ravaged Midlands city. The concert was one of two given as a 'gift of music' (Jochum led them in Beethoven 7 and Bruckner 9 the day before). On the 6th, that old love JB led them in this Brahms and some RVW and Haydn. Sadly, the Brahms 2 is the only piece which remains. But what a souvenir!

    I have played it about half a dozen times since it arrived and it is phenomenal. Here's a brief synopsis, following these initial listenings:

    Recorded sound: Good, clean mono, little reverberant given the cathedral acoustic, but not enough to muddy the sound or create any sonic congestion. Quiet passages beautifully voiced and climaxes thunderous and portentous. Audience well-behaved. I don't think this can have been a broadcast tape (though it is of similar quality). The booklet notes are interesting on the historical background to the concerts but reveal little about the source material. A closer inspection of the fine print reveals it comes from the BPO's archive.

    Performance: Brilliant. Great deal of cumulative excitement; slow passages taken at rather a stately speed, but with a good underlying pulse and still fleet of foot with never a suggestion of stasis. A beautifully conceived performance - very JB! Truly Brahms con amore.

    We know of the love felt between JB and the BPO (from his Mahler recordings and the concerts he undertook with them during this decade especially) and the depth of this affection shines through every bar of this recording.

    For my money it is revelatory: a knockout performance. He is a tad slower than he was to be in the Musikvereinsaal recordings for HMV in '67 (odd that, as conductors tend to become broader in tempi as they age, as a rule - JB was the best part of a minute slower in the first movement in '62.) Not a huge difference though, but the reading has a markedly different character. The emotional quotient is greatly evident and it is an impassioned reading - who could imbue music with such feeling better than JB?

    The strings rich and refulgent, brass and woodwind deep and characterful and some coruscatingly high octane passages that are splendid and sear themselves in the memory quite indelibly (the seething cauldron that is the fourth movement springs readily to mind).

    Once or twice, though, he puts me in mind of Furtwängler on a very good day, but perhaps sans the febrile changes in tempi. He also indulges in a huge rit. at the end of the symphony - echt Barbirolli! They cannot have been producing Brahms 2s like this back home for Herbie: not his style at all.

    The audience sit on their hands at the end - either due to the Riot Act having been read in advance by the recording engineer, or perhaps owing to the sacred nature of the venue. It cannot have been for want of enthusiasm. I fairly leapt out of my seat at the end. A very good recording and a transcendental reading- much the superior of his studio VPO version!

    Odd thing is, it doesn't seem to have been reviewed (unless I have somehow missed it). Anyone correct me on this point?

    Here's a link for anyone interested: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Symphony-No-...9537875&sr=8-3

    Catalogue Number: SBT1469

    Karafan
    "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle
  • Alison
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    • Nov 2010
    • 6479

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    • Barbirollians
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      • Nov 2010
      • 11785

      #3
      Thanks a lot Karafan . I had seen this but noted the lack of reviews and the short playing time and was not sure whether I needed this as well as the studio recording and the live Orfeo .

      Now duly ordered !
      Last edited by Barbirollians; 13-06-12, 00:01.

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      • amateur51

        #4
        Many thanks, karafan - it's on the list

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        • PJPJ
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          • Nov 2010
          • 1461

          #5
          Karafan, thank you for that very positive opinion about the performance which I'd now very much like to hear. I have got put off by some releases of concert performances (not necessarily Barbirolli's) which do no good whatsoever for the conductor's reputation, and which possibly appeal only to the very keen fan who has to have everything.

          One of JB's I particularly like is Mahler 6 with the New Philharmonia on Testament, not better than the studio recording, but an excellent companion to it. (Testament is on offer at various places, currently.)

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          • Karafan
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 786

            #6
            Thank you Alison - the reviewer and I definitely concur on this release.

            Barbirollians, PJPJ and Amateur51 - I'll be interested to hear your take on it too I think you'll be impressed with it.

            K.
            "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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            • jayne lee wilson
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 10711

              #7
              "Such recent nonsense as chamber orchestras playing Brahms", Rob Pennock says in this review. With bizarre comments like that (Mackerras SCO, Berglund COE, anyone?) I wouldn't trust HIS judgment. But if Karafan says so, I'm sure Barbirolli's on form here!

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              • johnb
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                • Mar 2007
                • 2903

                #8
                Originally posted by PJPJ View Post
                One of JB's I particularly like is Mahler 6 with the New Philharmonia on Testament, not better than the studio recording, but an excellent companion to it. (Testament is on offer at various places, currently.)
                I haven't heard that recording but was very impressed indeed with the live recording of Mahler 6 with Barbirolli conducting the BPO, also issued on Testament.

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                • Stanley Stewart
                  Late Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1071

                  #9
                  Thank you, Karafan, for the persuasive recommendation. I've shopped around and placed an order with hmv, online @ £14, incl p & p, several pounds cheaper than the price quoted by Amazon.

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                  • Barbirollians
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11785

                    #10
                    I would cancel it Stanley - £9.95 including postage on www.mdt.co.uk

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                    • pastoralguy
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7820

                      #11
                      One of the things I love about Testament discs is that their notes are very good indeed. I really love that label and have bought quite a few of them.

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                      • Petrushka
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12341

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                        One of the things I love about Testament discs is that their notes are very good indeed. I really love that label and have bought quite a few of them.
                        Ditto, but how on earth are Amazon able to justify £18.23 for this no matter what the artistic merits of the performance are? I note the MDT price while Testament's own website quotes £10.99 (incl p&p). As a confirmed Testament website watcher I'd clocked this release some time ago but am still concerned at their pricing policy. For a 50 year old mono archive recording £10.99 still seems steep especially when you consider that this is full price and many brand new recordings are cheaper. They should knock a couple of quid off, maybe three and that's much better value in today's market place.
                        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                        • Karafan
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 786

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                          Ditto, but how on earth are Amazon able to justify £18.23 for this no matter what the artistic merits of the performance are? I note the MDT price while Testament's own website quotes £10.99 (incl p&p). As a confirmed Testament website watcher I'd clocked this release some time ago but am still concerned at their pricing policy. For a 50 year old mono archive recording £10.99 still seems steep especially when you consider that this is full price and many brand new recordings are cheaper. They should knock a couple of quid off, maybe three and that's much better value in today's market place.
                          Petrushka: Amazon are so good on most things but they often seem awry on Testament pricing. I bought mine new from a 3rd party seller on the site called 'Classic Recordings' - who are in fact Testament themselves, direct from the dazzling lights of downtown Bromley!

                          K.
                          "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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                          • JohnSkelton

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                            "Such recent nonsense as chamber orchestras playing Brahms", Rob Pennock says in this review. With bizarre comments like that (Mackerras SCO, Berglund COE, anyone?) I wouldn't trust HIS judgment. But if Karafan says so, I'm sure Barbirolli's on form here!
                            "but here the speed is varied to an incredible degree – this is positively Mahlerian –"

                            As opposed to negatively Mahlerian? Why is 'varying the speed to an incredible degree' especially 'Mahlerian'?

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                            • Petrushka
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12341

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Karafan View Post
                              Petrushka: Amazon are so good on most things but they often seem awry on Testament pricing. I bought mine new from a 3rd party seller on the site called 'Classic Recordings' - who are in fact Testament themselves, direct from the dazzling lights of downtown Bromley!

                              K.
                              Not knocking the recording or anything, Karafan, as I haven't heard it. Your review is very persuasive and I feel an urge coming on! Trying to tighten the belt prior to the Proms and not really succeeding!
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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