Wagner - The Flying Dutchman , recordings

[Barbirollians]

Isn't most of the evidence re Bohm from Norman Lebrecht's book .Goodall according to other sources joined the British Union of Fascists after war broke out and was a holocaust denier .

[Beef Oven]

Isn't most of the evidence re Bohm from Norman Lebrecht's book .Goodall according to other sources joined the British Union of Fascists after war broke out and was a holocaust denier .

And he ate 9 babies and was a founder member of the National Front. He never washed his hands after going to the lav and he was a wife-beater who sold crack cocaine to the children down his road.

His only good point was that he was the greatest Wagner conductor that ever walked the planet.

[Richard Tarleton]

His only good point was that he was the greatest Wagner conductor that ever walked the planet.

Yes, it really doesn't do to be too fastidious when it comes to great Wagner conductors . Clearly I gave the wrong answer earlier on

[Parry1912]

And he ate 9 babies and was a founder member of the National Front. He never washed his hands after going to the lav and he was a wife-beater who sold crack cocaine to the children down his road

That's not true! He always washed his hands. And it was heroin not crack.

[Barbirollians]

How amusing that he was a holocaust denier who suggested that the films of Bergen Belsen were faked by the British military - hysterically funny .

No matter -he was a " great conductor " of an anti-semitic composer and that is all that counts evidently for some of you .

On top of that the lauding of this repellent man strikes me as absurd - His performances were as dreary as hell IMO .

[Beef Oven]

That's not true! He always washed his hands. And it was heroin not crack.

[Beef Oven]

How amusing that he was a holocaust denier who suggested that the films of Bergen Belsen were faked by the British military - hysterically funny .

No matter -he was a " great conductor " of an anti-semitic composer and that is all that counts evidently for some of you .

On top of that the lauding of this repellent man strikes me as absurd - His performances were as dreary as hell IMO .

I think we're being chastised by a Rubberbrolly

[Mandryka]

Some of us may remember Humphry Burton's 1984 Omnibus programme, The Quest For Reginald Goodall, where Goodall's politics weren't mentioned. We were left with the impression that his late-flowering career had everything to do with his being 'painfully' shy and having a painfully English name.

When I heard about his fascism, it all suddenly made sense - as did Solti's aversion to him. However, I'd never allow someone's politics to put me off their work.

However, I do get very tired of the continuous (and wrong-headed)_Karajan=Nazi propaganda. For the umpteenth time: he joined the Nazi Party because he wanted to go skiing and was a very ambitious man, who wanted to work: those of us who have never lived under totalitarian regimes may not appreciate how vital it is to cooperate with those in power to get anywhere at all. At worst, Karajan can be accused of a lack of heroism - though his second wife was (half) Jewish, so he was obviously prepared to take some risks.

[french frank]

We have actually been through all this before - on a thread that eventually had to be closed. Perhaps stick to discussing the music and recordings?

[Beef Oven]

Some of us may remember Humphry Burton's 1984 Omnibus programme, The Quest For Reginald Goodall, where Goodall's politics weren't mentioned. We were left with the impression that his late-flowering career had everything to do with his being 'painfully' shy and having a painfully English name.

When I heard about his fascism, it all suddenly made sense - as did Solti's aversion to him. However, I'd never allow someone's politics to put me off their work.

However, I do get very tired of the continuous (and wrong-headed)_Karajan=Nazi propaganda. For the umpteenth time: he joined the Nazi Party because he wanted to go skiing and was a very ambitious man, who wanted to work: those of us who have never lived under totalitarian regimes may not appreciate how vital it is to cooperate with those in power to get anywhere at all. At worst, Karajan can be accused of a lack of heroism - though his second wife was (half) Jewish, so he was obviously prepared to take some risks.

It's probably true that Goodall's late-flowering success was indeed due to his unassuming character and his Englishness. As for 'his fascism', cast your mind back to the postings that you exchanged with that guest that actually knew and worked with him. Have you forgotten that valuable information he gave you?

In any case, it's a bit of a pointless excercise to try to reconcile music and politics. Clemens Krauss, Josef Keilberth, Karl Bohm, Herbert von Karajan, Hans Pfitzner, Richard Strauss, to name just a few, were all to greater or lesser degrees, complicit.

[Beef Oven]

We have actually been through all this before - on a thread that eventually had to be closed. Perhaps stick to discussing the music and recordings?

And what glorious music and recordings they are!!

[AmpH]

Oh my lord .......... what have I got into ??!! Maybe I should just stick to Vaughan Williams. At least he was just a straight forward ladies man......I think. Time for a or 6 !

[Beef Oven]

Oh my lord .......... what have I got into ??!! Maybe I should just stick to Vaughan Williams. At least he was just a straight forward ladies man......I think. Time for a or 6 !

Yeah, it's all your fault AmpH, with your questions about the frying brunchman!!

[Mandryka]

It's probably true that Goodall's late-flowering success was indeed due to his unassuming character and his Englishness. As for 'his fascism', cast your mind back to the postings that you exchanged with that guest that actually knew and worked with him. Have you forgotten that valuable information he gave you?

In any case, it's a bit of a pointless excercise to try to reconcile music and politics. Clemens Krauss, Josef Keilberth, Karl Bohm, Herbert von Karajan, Hans Pfitzner, Richard Strauss, to name just a few, were all to greater or lesser degrees, complicit.

Not sure why you have a bee in your bonnet, as I've said Goodall's politics don't bother me and certainly don't influence my opinion of his musicianship.

[Beef Oven]

[QUOTE=Mandryka;157275]Not sure why you have a bee in your bonnet, as I've said Goodall's politics don't bother me and certainly don't influence my opinion of his musicianship.[/QUOTE

And nor should his politics bother you, given that they are such a marginal part (if any part at all) of the Goodall phenomenon.