Wagner Tristan und Isolde - Flagstad/Furtwangler 1952

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  • Richard Tarleton

    #31
    Originally posted by Rowan Tree View Post
    There always has to be one...... So I shall grab me tin hat, start off at a brisk trot and say... I have been listening to Act 1 of the Flagstad/ Furtwanger on the 1986 re-mastering ( don't know how later re-issues have improved the sound) and for me one can enjoy this performance only if your ideal artist to play Isolde would be a musically gifted Hyacinth Buckett. For heaven's sake Isolde is a very young woman! Flagstad sounds too "matronly" to sing Erda and that lady is no spring chicken.
    My favourite Isolda is Stemme in the wonderful 2007(?) Glyndebourne production.
    Rowan Tree - you capture the essential dilemma of finding the perfect Wagnerian soprano. She is a tad matronly - it was the twilight of her career. You're buying into a piece of history, and Furtwangler's conducting.

    Having seen Stemme's Isolde at the ROH I agree she's fabulous.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #32
      Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
      The Flagstad/Furtwangler is a classic, but it is old and in mono (they may have doctored it for stereo, of course, but I'm a bit dubious about some of those engineering tricks).
      No "doctoring" as far as I know - and the Mono sound is, as Richard says, glorious. You might find this useful:



      even at Amazon's MP3 sound, it gives a good "taster" of what to expect.

      For a great and more modern stereo version, go for Nilsson/Bohm on DG. It is a 1966 live recording from Bayreuth, but I didnt find the stage noises anything to bother about.
      I have this version, too, and I agree that it's another superlative performance. But there are stage sounds. This will help anyone decide whether these are too obtrusive for them (again, with allowances for the MP3 sound):

      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • Beef Oven

        #33
        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        Bed Wetter Green, BeefO: and booklets in CD issues are terribly fragile - after the third reading, the spine breaks and all the pages drop to the floor.

        Andrew MacG's mantra moaning about "no texts or translations" is always a plus for me!
        Yes!

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        • Pianorak
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 3127

          #34
          I love Flagstad and Nilsson as well as Behrens. My favourite Brangaene has to be Blanche Thebom. Her Einsam wachend in der Nacht and Habet acht! Habet acht! (Act 2/II) is just breathtakingly beautiful and never fails to move me.
          My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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          • Petrushka
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 12260

            #35
            There is/was also a truly live 1966 Bohm Tristan on the Frequenz label. It was taken from a single performance given on August 13 1966 and sounds quite different from the DG recording. I assume it was taken from the Bavarian Radio relay and it is electrifying. I have both. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wagner-Trist...5046561&sr=1-4

            The Furtwangler is included on the recently issued boxed set of the Great EMI Recordings which is where I have it.
            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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            • AmpH
              Guest
              • Feb 2012
              • 1318

              #36
              Posts 28 , 29 & 32 - umslopogass , Richard Tarleton , ferneyhough - many thanks for your advice / information.

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              • mathias broucek
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1303

                #37
                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                There is/was also a truly live 1966 Bohm Tristan on the Frequenz label. It was taken from a single performance given on August 13 1966 and sounds quite different from the DG recording. I assume it was taken from the Bavarian Radio relay and it is electrifying. I have both. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wagner-Trist...5046561&sr=1-4
                Thanks Petrushka. Cheap too!

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                • Pianorak
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3127

                  #38
                  Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                  Thanks Petrushka. Cheap too!
                  Cheap - no; inexpensive - yes!

                  Thanks, Petrushka.
                  My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                  • gurnemanz
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7391

                    #39
                    For a couple of decades I lived happily with LPs of the Carlos Kleiber Dresden recording with Margaret Price and when CD came along I opted for Böhm. I clicked the Furtwängler/Flagstad link above and was sorely tempted.
                    However, I did recently buy the Flagstad EMI Icon discs where CD5 gives you 78 minutes from that performance. Despite obvious "bleeding chunk" objections, I think I may force myself to be content with that. CD4 is also all Wagner, including her classic Immolation scene from Götterdämmerung - from 1948, also Furtwängler/Legge .

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