Beethoven Symphony Cycles

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  • cloughie
    Full Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 22107

    Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
    Ah !,the first thing that comes to mind when thinking beautiful symphonic movements is Rubbra 6.2 (Canto,Largo e sereno)

    LvB only
    4.2
    7.1
    6.5
    9.3
    before 2.2 in my book
    9.3 would vie for my no2 (9.4 definitely no37!)

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    • Richard Barrett
      Guest
      • Jan 2016
      • 6259

      Listening now to Immerseel's no.7 (the favourite Beethoven symphony of Xenakis). The acoustic is a bit more resonant, and unfocused in the bass register, than I would ideally like - more resonant than I would have expected from the Concertgebouw Bruges, the same hall where my own last CD recording was made, but the performance is certainly as good as any I've ever heard. Did someone say that the small string section might be disappointing? Not for me. According to research I've mentioned before by Stefan Weinzierl, the halls where Beethoven's orchestral music was first performed wouldn't have accommodated a large string section anyway. So yes, I'm coming around somewhat. It feels like a rediscovery.

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      • Beef Oven!
        Ex-member
        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
        Listening now to Immerseel's no.7 (the favourite Beethoven symphony of Xenakis). The acoustic is a bit more resonant, and unfocused in the bass register, than I would ideally like - more resonant than I would have expected from the Concertgebouw Bruges, the same hall where my own last CD recording was made, but the performance is certainly as good as any I've ever heard. Did someone say that the small string section might be disappointing? Not for me. According to research I've mentioned before by Stefan Weinzierl, the halls where Beethoven's orchestral music was first performed wouldn't have accommodated a large string section anyway. So yes, I'm coming around somewhat. It feels like a rediscovery.
        Have you tried the Giovanni Antonini, Kammerorchester Basel?

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        • Richard Barrett
          Guest
          • Jan 2016
          • 6259

          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
          Have you tried the Giovanni Antonini, Kammerorchester Basel?
          No, you asked me that before I think, it sounds like it would be worth a try. Just finished Immerseel's no.5, time for bed.

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          • Beef Oven!
            Ex-member
            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            Does anyone know if Giovanni Antonini completed his Beethoven cycle with Kammerorchester Basel? That’s to say, did he record the Ninth?

            I have 1-8 but can’t see the availability of the final symphony.

            As I’m sure many of us do, I’ve been dipping into various Beethoven symphonies here and there and currently prefer Antonini’s performances over all the rest, at least for the moment!

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            • Demetrius
              Full Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 276

              It hasn't been released - yet.

              " Nach ausverkauften Konzerten mit Beethovens Neunter Sinfonie in Basel, Belfort und Glarus im September 2014 und weiteren Konzerten unter anderem in Zürich, La Chaux-de-Fonds und Gstaad in den Jahren 2015 und 2016 steht im Winter 2017 die CD-Aufnahme dieses epochemachenden Werks und damit der Abschluss des Beethoven-Zyklus an."

              They intended to record it this winter, not sure when they intend to release it.

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                Originally posted by Demetrius View Post
                It hasn't been released - yet.

                " Nach ausverkauften Konzerten mit Beethovens Neunter Sinfonie in Basel, Belfort und Glarus im September 2014 und weiteren Konzerten unter anderem in Zürich, La Chaux-de-Fonds und Gstaad in den Jahren 2015 und 2016 steht im Winter 2017 die CD-Aufnahme dieses epochemachenden Werks und damit der Abschluss des Beethoven-Zyklus an."

                They intended to record it this winter, not sure when they intend to release it.
                http://www.kammerorchesterbasel.ch/o...thoven-zyklus/
                Great!

                Thanks very much indeed.

                Something to look forward to.

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                • Alison
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 6448

                  Any views on the relatively new Herbert Blomstedt?

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                  • Petrushka
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12224

                    Originally posted by Alison View Post
                    Any views on the relatively new Herbert Blomstedt?
                    I've got the set and have slightly mixed feelings about it. Good performances in good sound but somehow I think HB tries just a little bit too hard to be HIPP, particularly in the
                    9th, and I'm not sure it will bear repeated listening if this makes sense. If you want a set with the Gewandhausorchester I'd stick with the under-rated Chailly or the 1990s Masur.

                    I've only heard the complete set once so another listen might make me think differently.
                    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                    • richardfinegold
                      Full Member
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 7631

                      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                      I've got the set and have slightly mixed feelings about it. Good performances in good sound but somehow I think HB tries just a little bit too hard to be HIPP, particularly in the
                      9th, and I'm not sure it will bear repeated listening if this makes sense. If you want a set with the Gewandhausorchester I'd stick with the under-rated Chailly or the 1990s Masur.

                      I've only heard the complete set once so another listen might make me think differently.
                      I haven’t heard the new Blomstedt, but I have his older set with Dresden. I am not familiar with the Chailly set but I can
                      ‘T work up to much enthusiasm for the Masur.
                      I recently bought the Kletzki set with the Czech Philharmonic on Supraphon. I am fascinated with it, partly because of the sound of the Orchestra, but also the conductor. Nothing is rushed, note values are fully respected, but there is a tendency to develop a cumulative power. Somewhat like Klemperer, but with a freer sense of rhythm

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                      • Barbirollians
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11657

                        I like the Kletzki set a great deal and it includes a particularly fine Pastoral I think - Gramophone reviewers have been sniffy about it in the past but I wonder to a degree whether 1960s pressings may have played a part in that .

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                        • pastoralguy
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 7730

                          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                          I like the Kletzki set a great deal and it includes a particularly fine Pastoral I think - Gramophone reviewers have been sniffy about it in the past but I wonder to a degree whether 1960s pressings may have played a part in that .
                          Yes, I have that set as well and much enjoyed the Pastoral. I came across Kletzki's 'Pathetique' with the Philharmonia Orchestra, which was my first recording and introduction to the work, on an ultra cheap label and its blistering!
                          Last edited by pastoralguy; 21-11-17, 11:29.

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                          • Barbirollians
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11657

                            I agree as are his Sibelius 2, Scherazade and Mahler 4 - an Icon box is way overdue .

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                            • pastoralguy
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7730

                              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                              I agree as are his Sibelius 2, Scherazade and Mahler 4 - an Icon box is way overdue .
                              Yes indeed. I'm sure he recorded something with Ida Haendel as well.

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                              • Dave2002
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 18005

                                Yesterday I listened to a significant proportion of Immerseeel's Beethoven cycle. I like it a lot.

                                However, when I got to the Pastoral, I really was suspicious as it seemed to me that it had been re-orchestrated with an organ. Was that my hearing, or was there really an organ added to the mix? Very odd.

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