Beethoven Symphony Cycles

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  • visualnickmos
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    • Nov 2010
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    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    More compact to make lossless data compressed files (FLAC, Apple lossless or whatever) and burn to recordable DVDs or Blu-ray.
    Why not just buy the CD in the first place?

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    • Bryn
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      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
      Why not just buy the CD in the first place?
      I still do, quite often, but they are not indestructible. Remember the PDO 'bronzing' resulting from corner-cutting on the varnish layer.

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      • visualnickmos
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        • Nov 2010
        • 3609

        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        I still do, quite often, but they are not indestructible. Remember the PDO 'bronzing' resulting from corner-cutting on the varnish layer.
        I've collected CDs since 1987, never had any bronzing issues, but I take your point. However, I would have thought that the chance of technology going wrong is higher than a CD self-destructing.

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        • mikealdren
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          • Nov 2010
          • 1195

          I've had about 5 CDs out of 3,400 where the odd track wouldn't read when copying to computer and quite a few date back to the early 1980s; some due to scratches, some bronzing or other failure of the underlying layer. All were old CDs. I also had a few with scratches that I managed to polish up into working order.

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          • Dave2002
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            • Dec 2010
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            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
            More compact to make lossless data compressed files (FLAC, Apple lossless or whatever) and burn to recordable DVDs or Blu-ray.
            Yes, but will they they play in most CD players? I think not. Depends also where one wants to use the things. For one of our cars burning to mp3s is a good idea - the quality loss isn't really too noticeable in a car environment and one can get several hours worth on a CD ROM.

            Even more compact is to record to portable hard drive or SSD, but portable hard drives are vulnerable to knocks. I'm not sure how vulnerable SSDs are to various disturbances, but it should be possible to make a 250 Gbyte SSD in an enclosure for under £40. That could store perhaps 750 CDs, so the cost per CD would be under 6p for a full drive. A significant part of the cost would be the time taken to actually do the ripping, and admin associated with each CD - how do you value your time? Once done though, backups to another drive or SSD would be worth doing, to avoid having to repeat this kind of process. However, a computer would still be needed to play the content, whereas with CDs the only requirement is a CD player.

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            • Bryn
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              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
              Yes, but will they they play in most CD players? I think not. Depends also where one wants to use the things. For one of our cars burning to mp3s is a good idea - the quality loss isn't really too noticeable in a car environment and one can get several hours worth on a CD ROM.

              Even more compact is to record to portable hard drive or SSD, but portable hard drives are vulnerable to knocks. I'm not sure how vulnerable SSDs are to various disturbances, but it should be possible to make a 250 Gbyte SSD in an enclosure for under £40. That could store perhaps 750 CDs, so the cost per CD would be under 6p for a full drive. A significant part of the cost would be the time taken to actually do the ripping, and admin associated with each CD - how do you value your time? Once done though, backups to another drive or SSD would be worth doing, to avoid having to repeat this kind of process. However, a computer would still be needed to play the content, whereas with CDs the only requirement is a CD player.
              The aim is the backing up of audio data. When it comes to playback, FLACs burned to a DVD-R or Blu-ray recordable can be played directly in many Blu-ray/DVD decks. Oppo decks even play them gaplessly. With BD-Rs costing around 50p each and holding 25GB, that's less then £20 per TB of FLACs. Not as compact as a 1TB SSD but much cheaper, and stored properly BD-Rs offer fair longevity and in the case of data files such as FLACs, can have their content copied with similar ease to those on hard drives or SSDs. By paying a premium of arouns 10x, M-disc archive BD-Rs with extended life are available.

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              • Barbirollians
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                • Nov 2010
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                Talk about off topic !

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                • Bryn
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                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  On the topic of Beethoven symphonic surveys on Blu-ray and/or DVD, has anyone here heard/watched the DNSO/Frühbeck de Burgos?

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                  • richardfinegold
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                    • Sep 2012
                    • 7628

                    I had a CD that I dropped unknowingly while switching between my home system and my car. It landed on the floor of my garage and I drove over it a few times. After a cleaning it played perfectly. CDs may not be “perfect sound forever” but they are damn close.

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                    • cloughie
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                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22107

                      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                      Talk about off topic !
                      A number of conductors didn’t do cycles, Erich Kleiber 3 (x2), 5, 6 (x2), 7, 9 ; Reiner 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9; Munch 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; Previn (RCA) 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and (EMI) 5 & 7, Carlos Kleiber 4, 5, 6, 7. Maybe a few of these worth not overlooking in 2020!

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                      • mathias broucek
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1303

                        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                        A number of conductors didn’t do cycles, Erich Kleiber 3 (x2), 5, 6 (x2), 7, 9 ; Reiner 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9; Munch 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; Previn (RCA) 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and (EMI) 5 & 7, Carlos Kleiber 4, 5, 6, 7. Maybe a few of these worth not overlooking in 2020!
                        Those figures are understated.... Erich Kleiber 2 (x2) 3 (x4) 5 (x2) 6 (x4) 7 9, for instance....

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                        • cloughie
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                          • Dec 2011
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                          Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                          Those figures are understated.... Erich Kleiber 2 (x2) 3 (x4) 5 (x2) 6 (x4) 7 9, for instance....
                          I omitted 2 but please reveal your sources for the others please, and yes there is another Munch 6 which was the Concert Hall recording.

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                          • mathias broucek
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            I omitted 2 but please reveal your sources for the others please, and yes there is another Munch 6 which was the Concert Hall recording.
                            Extra Eroicas in New York (NBC) and Stuttgart, extra 5th with the SKB (recently reissued by DG in the SKB 450 box), 6th is actually 5 the extras being with the Czech PO (in the Great Conductors of the 20th C release) Cologne and NDR

                            Wasn’t being unfriendly :-)

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                            • cloughie
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                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22107

                              Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                              Extra Eroicas in New York (NBC) and Stuttgart, extra 5th with the SKB (recently reissued by DG in the SKB 450 box), 6th is actually 5 the extras being with the Czech PO (in the Great Conductors of the 20th C release) Cologne and NDR

                              Wasn’t being unfriendly :-)
                              I stand corrected mathias but you must admit they’re not widely available!

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                              • mathias broucek
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                                I stand corrected mathias but you must admit they’re not widely available!
                                Overall the Decca “official” versions are best. Although I wouldn’t want to be without the NBC Eroica or the Czech Pastoral

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