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Otto Klemperer: The Remastered Edition
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Originally posted by smittims View PostComparing Klemperer with Walter reminds me of OK's famous remark on 'Face to Face':
'Bruno Walter is a very good conductor, a very romantic conductor, but he is also, not to misunderstand, he is a moralist. I am an immoralist. Absolutely!'
Although Walter's position as a Mahler interpreter is unique, his later recordings do seem to me to have a little reverential nostalgia about them which I don't think Mahler would approve . I often think Klemperer gets closer to Mahler the questing intellectual.
I am just glad both of them recorded so much Mahler even if there is the odd real misfire - The late Walter Das Lied with Mildred Miller and OK’s interminable Mahler 7
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Originally posted by gradus View PostGood quality pre-amps in the sixties and early seventies had switchable equalisation to take account of the adjustments made to the recorded sound as part of the transfer to disc from master tape. I had a Rogers master pre amp that had, I think, five separate replay characteristic settings as well as the usual RIAA.
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Point taken, Barbirollians, though I do think Walter got slower in his last years, if you compare him with the fiery 1930s recordings.
Re the soloists in the Klemperer Mahler 2 I suppose you mean the Columbia recording. I think Schwarzkopf was more or less wished on him as she was married to the producer, but he asked for Hilde Rossl-Majdan, who sadly wasn't in such good voice as she is in the 1951 Vienna S.O. recording; even better is the live concert version released by Testament.
Later he preferred Harper/Baker, whom he came to admire ; as well as the Bavarian version there's a Testament from the Festival Hall which is very good (SBT2 1348 if it's still available).
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Originally posted by smittims View PostPoint taken, Barbirollians, though I do think Walter got slower in his last years, if you compare him with the fiery 1930s recordings.
Re the soloists in the Klemperer Mahler 2 I suppose you mean the Columbia recording. I think Schwarzkopf was more or less wished on him as she was married to the producer, but he asked for Hilde Rossl-Majdan, who sadly wasn't in such good voice as she is in the 1951 Vienna S.O. recording; even better is the live concert version released by Testament.
Later he preferred Harper/Baker, whom he came to admire ; as well as the Bavarian version there's a Testament from the Festival Hall which is very good (SBT2 1348 if it's still available).
Regarding Smittens comment about Walter slowing down, that had been my general impression but as I listened through the big Walter box, but it generally wasn’t supported by the evidence. There are a few outliers, such as the New World, but his Mozart sounds positively zippy compared to Karl Bohm, for example
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Originally posted by richardfinegold View PostFirst off, I second Barb’s comments about our good fortune in having the late Mahler recordings of Mahler by Walter and OK. Would that they have done 5 and 6.
Regarding Smittens comment about Walter slowing down, that had been my general impression but as I listened through the big Walter box, but it generally wasn’t supported by the evidence. There are a few outliers, such as the New World, but his Mozart sounds positively zippy compared to Karl Bohm, for example
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Originally posted by smittims View PostFidelio would have been welcome. Many listeners to Walter's published discography may be unaware that , before the Anschluss, his major work was in the opera houses.
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Originally posted by richardfinegold View PostFirst off, I second Barb’s comments about our good fortune in having the late Mahler recordings of Mahler by Walter and OK. Would that they have done 5 and 6.
Regarding Smittens comment about Walter slowing down, that had been my general impression but as I listened through the big Walter box, but it generally wasn’t supported by the evidence. There are a few outliers, such as the New World, but his Mozart sounds positively zippy compared to Karl Bohm, for example
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostIt appears that Bruno Walter thought that Mahler 6 was too depressing, so wouldn't do that one, and OK didn't like Mahler 5. I didn't realise that the lack of recordings of these was deliberate by the conductors.
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Originally posted by Barbirollians View PostNo Mahler 3 from either too. I think Klemperer was quoted as saying he would have recorded Mahler 8 but nobody ever asked him ?
You may correct me, but didn't Barbirolli do them all - with the possible exception of 10? At least performances - if not recordings.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostDid those two never perform Mahler 3 either?
You may correct me, but didn't Barbirolli do them all - with the possible exception of 10? At least performances - if not recordings.
Michael Kennedy in his biography of JB confirms that Barbirolli did perform all of the symphonies plus Das Lied and the 10th Adagio."The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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Originally posted by Petrushka View PostThe Vienna Philharmonic concert archive reveals that Bruno Walter performed the Mahler 3 in Vienna on April 6 & 7 1935 and again in Salzburg on August 19 1936.
Michael Kennedy in his biography of JB confirms that Barbirolli did perform all of the symphonies plus Das Lied and the 10th Adagio.
Concert recordings of 2,3,4,7 have emerged as well as Das Lied with Ferrier . No recording of him performing the 8th appears to exist.
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Originally posted by gradus View PostI hope the engineers tidy up the existing poor-ish digital rendition of the Missa Solemnis - the original LP's sound better ime."The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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