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  • jayne lee wilson
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    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    François-Xavier Roth's Heroic Eroica

    BEETHOVEN SYMPHONY NO.3. LES SIÈCLES/FRANCOIS-XAVIER ROTH. HM 20/27. QOBUZ 24/44.1

    First things first - Roth’s 1st movement is absolutely thrilling!

    Great speed and drive, a sweeping, sharply-defined performance in a single breath yet with many individualising touches of micro-dynamics (those subtle shadings between soft and loud), superb transparency to contrapuntal and subsidiary detail, and a wonderful sense of timing in each musical event - the surge to a climax, the leading away. This is truly heroic, and reminds me of Norrington explaining that he took this movement so fast (pioneering at the time) for that very reason: he’d heard too many that weren't nearly heroic enough. Roth matches Norrington for pace; but of course, this tempo never seems controversial now, simply right - giusto to the Beethovenian modes and moods. (We remember, of course, that Scherchen got there before anyone - slipshod, to say the least, though his later stereo taping may be). At this (swift, instinctively yet intelligently varied) tempo, the structural innovations and excitements are thrown into brilliant relief.

    You think Currentzis corners the market in dynamic articulation? Just listen to Roth at the start of the funeral march, from vanishing-point softness, through to each catch-your-breath sudden emphasis, ominous swell and reduction; such close musical observations - always alive, never routine, in its repetitons; keen, sharp, compelling attention.
    What a remarkable performance of the marcia funèbre this is - unusually urgent and intense, yet with such articulation (those crisp, colouristically varied, open-weave period-instrumental textures, the pure, almost entirely vibrato-free stringplaying, really telling here) formality and discipline, it seems a musical parallel of Racinian tragedy.
    Such perfectly timed solos, entries and pauses; the ebb and flow of pacing; nothing overdone, but no phrase understated or smudged.

    There is an exceptional expressive subtlety here: but, like a great movie, conveyed through dynamics, pace and timing; not any phrasal disturbance or, in the reviewer-cliché, “mannerism”. One marvels again, at the freedom and innovation of the form itself.

    As they should, the last two movements release all the pent-up tension - and, on waves of exhilaration, don’t disappoint your own pent-up anticipation.
    The faster string passages in the scherzo are flighted, light as air; but the climactic consequences wonderfully weighty, of high definition and impact, the timpani thwacks hard and dry. I relished that metallic edge to the horns in the buoyant trio, the tempo flowing through after the vivace.
    Just listen to the purity of those vibrato-less strings again, as they state the finale themes. Great momentum and schwung here, on-the-edge-but-never-quite-losing-it; yet Roth, so sure of his trajectory, broadens to allow some grandeur into the last variation and the coda.
    As throughout, there is little to fault in the tonal balance, detail or presence of the recorded sound. Very natural.

    The World isn’t short of great Eroicas; my own favourites go back to Toscanini (NBC 1939) and Mengelberg (Amsterdam 1940); yet I feel I’ve been waiting all my life to hear it played like this.

    By the sound of it, Roth has been waiting all his life to play it like this, too.
    Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 03-05-21, 19:43.
  • ostuni
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 552

    #2
    I'm really looking forward to hearing this: sounds just up my street! One tiny correction: his surname is just Roth (like his organist father, Daniel). The hyphen is in his first name(s), François-Xavier.

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    • LMcD
      Full Member
      • Sep 2017
      • 8893

      #3
      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
      BEETHOVEN SYMPHONY NO.3. LES SIÈCLES/XAVIER-ROTH. HM 20/27. QOBUZ 24/44.1

      First things first - Roth’s 1st movement is absolutely thrilling!

      Great speed and drive, a sweeping, sharply-defined performance in a single breath yet with many individualising touches of micro-dynamics (those subtle shadings between soft and loud), superb transparency to contrapuntal and subsidiary detail, and a wonderful sense of timing in each musical event - the surge to a climax, the leading away. This is truly heroic, and reminds me of Norrington explaining that he took this movement so fast (pioneering at the time) for that very reason: he’d heard too many that weren't nearly heroic enough. FX-R matches Norrington for pace; but of course, this tempo never seems controversial now, simply right - giusto to the Beethovenian modes and moods. (We remember, of course, that Scherchen got there before anyone - slipshod, to say the least, though his later stereo taping may be). At this (swift, instinctively yet intelligently varied) tempo, the structural innovations and excitements are thrown into brilliant relief.

      You think Currentzis corners the market in dynamic articulation? Just listen to Roth at the start of the funeral march, from vanishing-point softness, through to each catch-your-breath sudden emphasis, ominous swell and reduction; such close musical observations - always alive, never routine, in its repetitons; keen, sharp, compelling attention.
      What a remarkable performance of the marcia funèbre this is - unusually urgent and intense, yet with such articulation (those crisp, colouristically varied, open-weave period-instrumental textures, the pure, almost entirely vibrato-free stringplaying, really telling here) formality and discipline, it seems a musical parallel of Racinian tragedy.
      Such perfectly timed solos, entries and pauses; the ebb and flow of pacing; nothing overdone, but no phrase understated or smudged.

      There is an exceptional expressive subtlety here: but, like a great movie, conveyed through dynamics, pace and timing; not any phrasal disturbance or, in the reviewer-cliché, “mannerism”. One marvels again, at the freedom and innovation of the form itself.

      As they should, the last two movements release all the pent-up tension - and, on waves of exhilaration, don’t disappoint your own pent-up anticipation.
      The faster string passages in the scherzo are flighted, light as air; but the climactic consequences wonderfully weighty, of high definition and impact, the timpani thwacks hard and dry. I relished that metallic edge to the horns in the buoyant trio, the tempo flowing through after the vivace.
      Just listen to the purity of those vibrato-less strings again, as they state the finale themes. Great momentum and schwung here, on-the-edge-but-never-quite-losing-it; yet Roth, so sure of his trajectory, broadens to allow some grandeur into the last variation and the coda.
      As throughout, there is little to fault in the tonal balance, detail or presence of the recorded sound. Very natural.

      The World isn’t short of great Eroicas; my own favourites go back to Toscanini (NBC 1939) and Mengelberg (Amsterdam 1940); yet I feel I’ve been waiting all my life to hear it played like this.

      By the sound of it, Xavier-Roth has been waiting all his life to play it like this, too.
      When (more likely if ...) time permits, I may get round to comparing it with my current favourite version - Wyn Morris/LS0.

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      • Joseph K
        Banned
        • Oct 2017
        • 7765

        #4


        Thanks for the review and for bringing this to our attention, Jayne. I'm currently listening to the first movement via youtube.

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        • Petrushka
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 12402

          #5
          I've got more Eroicas on my shelves than you can shake a stick at but that's a review to make me rush out and buy this one! With a 5th already available, this looks like it's on course to be a cycle.

          A Roth recording with the BBC National Orchestra of Wales of the 9th came out as a BBC Music Mag disc in 2007 and it will be interesting to eventually compare the two.
          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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          • jayne lee wilson
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            #6
            Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
            I've got more Eroicas on my shelves than you can shake a stick at but that's a review to make me rush out and buy this one! With a 5th already available, this looks like it's on course to be a cycle.

            A Roth recording with the BBC National Orchestra of Wales of the 9th came out as a BBC Music Mag disc in 2007 and it will be interesting to eventually compare the two.
            In fact, this 20/27 HM Symphony cycle is well under way - but it is a composite with various conductors and orchestras: 1, 2 and 6 from the AAMB/Bernhard Forck (with fascinating couplings: CPE Bach Symphonies with 1 & 2, the Knecht Portrait Musical de la Nature with No.6). 5 back with F X-R. 7 is from Golz with the Freiburg Baroque, c/w the complete Prometheus (beautifully done).9, Freiburg Baroque/Heras-Casado.

            I've not heard 5 or 9 yet, but I can enthusiastically vouch for the other symphonies. (The Golz and Currentzis 7ths offer an absorbing comparison...)

            HM 20/27 also offer of course the strikingly individual Piano Concerto Cycle, with Bezuidenhout/Freiburg B./Heras-Casado. The Triple Concerto with Faust/Queyras/Melnikov/Heras-Casado (about to hear that one); Jacobs' Missa Solemnis. Probably others I've overlooked...

            Very enterprising edition, with intriguing c/ws and generally fine, open, naturally-defined recorded sound as you'd expect from the label.

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26609

              #7
              Thanks jayne! It’s in the Qobuz queue for a good listen
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • jayne lee wilson
                Banned
                • Jul 2011
                • 10711

                #8
                Originally posted by ostuni View Post
                I'm really looking forward to hearing this: sounds just up my street! One tiny correction: his surname is just Roth (like his organist father, Daniel). The hyphen is in his first name(s), François-Xavier.
                Thanks - OP duly corrected .

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                • kernelbogey
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 5861

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                  Thanks - OP duly corrected .
                  I've taken the hyphen out of the thread title too - is that now correct? (No Francois? )

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                  • LMcD
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                    • Sep 2017
                    • 8893

                    #10
                    I've made it a rule not to have more than 2 recordings of any Beethoven symphony - I find that's quite enough for a busy pensioner! In addition to the Wyn Morris/LSO set, which I was pleased to see I was not alone in admiring, I have The Orchestra of St Luke's conducted by Michael Tilson Thomas, which was also well received. The Wyn Morris cycle cost me £3.50 and the Tilson Thomas was a gift. (I've double-checked the speling of the conducters names).

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                    • Richard Barrett
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                      • Jan 2016
                      • 6259

                      #11
                      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                      I've taken the hyphen out of the thread title too - is that now correct? (No Francois? )
                      It's not Xavier Roth, it's François-Xavier Roth, as ostuni has already indicated!

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22253

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                        BEETHOVEN SYMPHONY NO.3. LES SIÈCLES/FRANCOIS-XAVIER ROTH. HM 20/27. QOBUZ 24/44.1

                        First things first - Roth’s 1st movement is absolutely thrilling!

                        Great speed and drive, a sweeping, sharply-defined performance in a single breath yet with many individualising touches of micro-dynamics (those subtle shadings between soft and loud), superb transparency to contrapuntal and subsidiary detail, and a wonderful sense of timing in each musical event - the surge to a climax, the leading away. This is truly heroic, and reminds me of Norrington explaining that he took this movement so fast (pioneering at the time) for that very reason: he’d heard too many that weren't nearly heroic enough. Roth matches Norrington for pace; but of course, this tempo never seems controversial now, simply right - giusto to the Beethovenian modes and moods. (We remember, of course, that Scherchen got there before anyone - slipshod, to say the least, though his later stereo taping may be). At this (swift, instinctively yet intelligently varied) tempo, the structural innovations and excitements are thrown into brilliant relief.

                        You think Currentzis corners the market in dynamic articulation? Just listen to Roth at the start of the funeral march, from vanishing-point softness, through to each catch-your-breath sudden emphasis, ominous swell and reduction; such close musical observations - always alive, never routine, in its repetitons; keen, sharp, compelling attention.
                        What a remarkable performance of the marcia funèbre this is - unusually urgent and intense, yet with such articulation (those crisp, colouristically varied, open-weave period-instrumental textures, the pure, almost entirely vibrato-free stringplaying, really telling here) formality and discipline, it seems a musical parallel of Racinian tragedy.
                        Such perfectly timed solos, entries and pauses; the ebb and flow of pacing; nothing overdone, but no phrase understated or smudged.

                        There is an exceptional expressive subtlety here: but, like a great movie, conveyed through dynamics, pace and timing; not any phrasal disturbance or, in the reviewer-cliché, “mannerism”. One marvels again, at the freedom and innovation of the form itself.

                        As they should, the last two movements release all the pent-up tension - and, on waves of exhilaration, don’t disappoint your own pent-up anticipation.
                        The faster string passages in the scherzo are flighted, light as air; but the climactic consequences wonderfully weighty, of high definition and impact, the timpani thwacks hard and dry. I relished that metallic edge to the horns in the buoyant trio, the tempo flowing through after the vivace.
                        Just listen to the purity of those vibrato-less strings again, as they state the finale themes. Great momentum and schwung here, on-the-edge-but-never-quite-losing-it; yet Roth, so sure of his trajectory, broadens to allow some grandeur into the last variation and the coda.
                        As throughout, there is little to fault in the tonal balance, detail or presence of the recorded sound. Very natural.

                        The World isn’t short of great Eroicas; my own favourites go back to Toscanini (NBC 1939) and Mengelberg (Amsterdam 1940); yet I feel I’ve been waiting all my life to hear it played like this.

                        By the sound of it, Roth has been waiting all his life to play it like this, too.
                        That puts me off - the funeral march should not be urgent.

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                        • vinteuil
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 13105

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                          It's not Xavier Roth, it's François-Xavier Roth, as ostuni has already indicated!
                          ... the second great Jesuit saint -




                          .

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                          • Edgy 2
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                            • Jan 2019
                            • 2035

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                            I've made it a rule not to have more than 2 recordings of any Beethoven symphony - I find that's quite enough for a busy pensioner! In addition to the Wyn Morris/LSO set, which I was pleased to see I was not alone in admiring, I have The Orchestra of St Luke's conducted by Michael Tilson Thomas, which was also well received. The Wyn Morris cycle cost me £3.50 and the Tilson Thomas was a gift. (I've double-checked the speling of the conducters names).
                            I downloaded that set from Classic Select World for 99 cents but haven't listened to any of them as yet, I think it was on the bargains thread.
                            Still available https://www.classicselectworld.com/p...ea7a83ed&_ss=r
                            “Music is the best means we have of digesting time." — Igor Stravinsky

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                            • cloughie
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                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22253

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                              It's not Xavier Roth, it's François-Xavier Roth, as ostuni has already indicated!
                              You’ll be saying next he’s of Scothish origin, one of the WestherRoths!

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