Old recorded friends

[cloughie]

Also here https://charm.rhul.ac.uk/discography...Suske-Quartett

Interesting wall to wall Beethoven with some Butting in at the end. I’d never heard of Max Butting but it appears he composed quite a bit. There seems to be very few recordings of his music - is he justly or unjustly neglected I wonder?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Butting#Selected_works

[gurnemanz]

Interesting wall to wall Beethoven with some Butting in at the end. I’d never heard of Max Butting but it appears he composed quite a bit. There seems to be very few recordings of his music - is he justly or unjustly neglected I wonder?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bu...Selected_works

Max Butting is on here - "strongly recommended" - BBC Mag. Just listened to his Sinfonietta mit Banjo via Spotify - very enjoyable. Also Braunfels and Shreker who I had heard of.

[Serial_Apologist]

Max Butting is on here - "strongly recommended" - BBC Mag. Just listened to his Sinfonietta mit Banjo via Spotify - very enjoyable. Also Braunfels and Shreker who I had heard of.

Thanks for the Butting recommendation - sounds likde he could well be right up my aesthetic street, even though he composed a Banjo Sinfonietta!!!

[cloughie]

Thanks for the Butting recommendation - sounds likde he could well be right up my aesthetic street, even though he composed a Banjo Sinfonietta!!!

Maybe he was a gentleman and didn’t play it!

Music sounds smewhat like Hindemith or Weill.

[Nick Armstrong]

I’ve been listening to Joshua Rifkin’s Scott Joplin recordings the past few days on Qobuz.I had played them frequently as lps, never obtained the digitalized versions. Rifling plays them straight, no rubato, which he argued was what Joplin wanted.

I played the three LPs to death in my teens.

Looked on Qobuz and glad to hear the first one again.

But I can’t find the 2nd & 3rd volumes (the orange and red ones)... Are they eluding me or is only Vol 1 on there?

While searching, however, I came across this gem: Scott Joplin’s own performances of a comprehensive selection of his pieces



Magical and moving to hear. Wish I’d had access to these when learning Gladiolus, Magnetic, Wall Street etc back in the ‘70s!

[richardfinegold]

You’re right, Nick. That yellow album had some great stuff on it, and it seems to be nla

[silvestrione]

For me it would be Alfred Brendel Schubert Sonata in G Major, the Philips analogue recording. The dynamic range of the excellent recording came over more naturally on the LP than it does on the CD, but there are marvellous pp chords in the first movement, and, as always with Brendel, his judgement of tempo seems faultless, natural.

[gurnemanz]

Some recording information is available here:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/1597133-Suske-Quartett

I've been continuing to really enjoy these eloquent renditions. Following up on Karl Suske via wiki: He's still with us, aged 87. Quite a life in music. I remember him as Gewandhaus leader. I didn't know he led the Bayreuth Festival Orchestra from 91 to 2000.

[cloughie]

I played the three LPs to death in my teens.

Looked on Qobuz and glad to hear the first one again.

But I can’t find the 2nd & 3rd volumes (the orange and red ones)... Are they eluding me or is only Vol 1 on there?

While searching, however, I came across this gem: Scott Joplin’s own performances of a comprehensive selection of his pieces


Magical and moving to hear. Wish I’d had access to these when learning Gladiolus, Magnetic, Wall Street etc back in the ‘70s!

nick and rfg - I did a check on the original 3 LPs and the CD. There are 17 tracks on the CD issue cf 24 on the combined 3 LPs - the missing tracks are:

202 Eugenia (1905
203 Leola-Two Step (1907)
204 Rose Leaf Rag (1907)
301 Original Rags (1899)
304 The Chrysanthemum - An Afro-American Intermezzo (1904)
305 Sugar Cane - A Ragtime Classic Two-Step (1908)
306 The Nonpareil - A Rag And Two-Step (1907)

[Dave2002]

nick and rfg - I did a check on the original 3 LPs and the CD. There are 17 tracks on the CD issue cf 24 on the combined 3 LPs - the missing tracks are:

202 Eugenia (1905
203 Leola-Two Step (1907)
204 Rose Leaf Rag (1907)
301 Original Rags (1899)
304 The Chrysanthemum - An Afro-American Intermezzo (1904)
305 Sugar Cane - A Ragtime Classic Two-Step (1908)
306 The Nonpareil - A Rag And Two-Step (1907)

I've got the LPs but not played them for a while. Are those missing tracks on any of the CD releases?

Perhaps a reason to get a turntable working after all!

[Nick Armstrong]

nick and rfg - I did a check on the original 3 LPs and the CD. There are 17 tracks on the CD issue cf 24 on the combined 3 LPs - the missing tracks are:

202 Eugenia (1905
203 Leola-Two Step (1907)
204 Rose Leaf Rag (1907)
301 Original Rags (1899)
304 The Chrysanthemum - An Afro-American Intermezzo (1904)
305 Sugar Cane - A Ragtime Classic Two-Step (1908)
306 The Nonpareil - A Rag And Two-Step (1907)

Interesting, thanks - yes there are 17 on Qobuz too.

There have always been oddities with Joplin. I have the book of collected piano works (the notes, I mean), bought 1975. Excluded from it (to my annoyance) were Rose Leaf, Fig Leaf and Searchlight (iirc) due to copyright issues. (I believe modern editions now have those in - I managed to get the three pieces elsewhere).

Rifkin recorded Fig Leaf and Rose Leaf - but never Searchlight.

All three are among SJ’s very best, I think

[cloughie]

I've got the LPs but not played them for a while. Are those missing tracks on any of the CD releases?

Perhaps a reason to get a turntable working after all!

Not to my knowledge but I’ve not dug too deeply as yet!

[Pulcinella]

This set (Complete Piano Music of Scott Joplin) seems to be well thought of:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/John-Arpin-Complete-Piano-Joplin/dp/B000003QWN

I have a collection (14 pieces) played by him on a bargain Conifer Records CD, licensed from Fanfare Records.
Ages since I played it, though.

[richardfinegold]

This set (Complete Piano Music of Scott Joplin) seems to be well thought of:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/John-Arpin-Complete-Piano-Joplin/dp/B000003QWN

I have a collection (14 pieces) played by him on a bargain Conifer Records CD, licensed from Fanfare Records.
Ages since I played it, though.

Thanks cloughie and Nick.

Pulci, there may be other good players of Joplin. Rifkin was noted at the time for respecting SJ wish that his music be played in steady tempo (compare Rifkin in "The Entertainer" to the Marvin Hamlisch orchestration for "The Sting"). Rifkin manages plenty of excitement regardless. I had acquired a few other Joplin Pianists and yes, they can sound exciting speeded up, and no doubt that is how the music was played in countless bordellos in America a century or so ago, but it does gain in stature when played as intended. So if anyone can recommend a player who respects the music as much as Rifkin, I'd appreciate it.

I was surprised when I did a Rifkin search to see that none of his Bach "One To A Part" Cantata recordings seem to be available

[vinteuil]

I was surprised when I did a Rifkin search to see that none of his Bach "One To A Part" Cantata recordings seem to be available

... not these?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000042HM

.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0000042HM

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