Mahler: Das Klagende Lied

[Petrushka]

Boulez. Excellent.

I very much like the Chailly recording, though have to admit that it's a piece that rarely receives an outing in my CD player.

I couldn't find an Abbado recording either and was fairly certain he never recorded it. Boulez recorded it twice.

[Bryn]

Boulez. Excellent.

Just a pity he had or chose to work with a hybrid of Waldmärchen and the revised versions of Der Spielmann and Hochzeitstücke.

[gurnemanz]

Riccardo Chailly with Berlin Radio Symphony Orch gives a vivid performance. Just listened again. Great choral contribution from the Städtischer Musikverein Düsseldorf - previous directors Schumann and Mendelssohn. To good (and chilling) effect Chailly chooses a boy alto for the appearance the deceased younger knight singing: "My brother killed me for a flower!".

Fassbaender sings more Mahler songs on Disc 2 of a good value twofer. which laudably includes texts but at least one dodgy translation: In Waldmärchen "der Alte" is confusingly translated as "the old man" where it clearly just refers to "the old one", ie the elder brother.

[Bryn]

Riccardo Chailly with Berlin Radio Symphony Orch gives a vivid performance. Just listened again. Great choral contribution from the Städtischer Musikverein Düsseldorf - previous directors Schumann and Mendelssohn. To good (and chilling) effect Chailly chooses a boy alto for the appearance the deceased younger knight singing: "My brother killed me for a flower!".

Fassbaender sings more Mahler songs on Disc 2 of a good value twofer. which laudably includes texts but at least one dodgy translation: In Waldmärchen "der Alte" is confusingly translated as "the old man" where it clearly just refers to "the old one", ie the elder brother.

Yes, I have that double-album. However, I always feel wary of Chaiily in Mahler due to what he did/does with the drum strokes on the cusp between the 4th and 5th movements in the Cooke versions of the 10th.

[Bryn]

Though, again a hybrid version, that from Rozhdestvensky, on ICA, is very good, too.

[BBMmk2]

Really? I thought he never got to record the work, not even in the two-movement revision.

"Das klagende Lied is probably the least-frequently performed or recorded of Mahler’s major works. Indeed, many of the leading Mahler interpreters - including Abbado, Bernstein, Solti and Tennstedt - may well have never performed it; certainly none of them recorded it." from http://musicweb-international.com/cl...e_ICAC5080.htm

Indeed he did. I have it! Music Webb are most inaccurate about this. It’s available separately and in that Mahler box set that Universal published.

[Petrushka]

Indeed he did. I have it! Music Webb are most inaccurate about this. It’s available separately and in that Mahler box set that Universal published.

Can you provide a link to either the single issue release or the Universal box please? Failing that have you got the catalogue number?

[HighlandDougie]

Indeed he did. I have it! Music Webb are most inaccurate about this. It’s available separately and in that Mahler box set that Universal published.

Alas, BBM, the Klagende Lied in the Universal, "Gustav Mahler: The Complete Edition", is the Chailly recording. I don't think that Abbado ever recorded it. The 'Knaben Wunderhorn' in the box is, though, the Abbado recording so not difficult to confuse the two works.

[Bryn]

This early work of Mahler's has long been a delight for me. Following up on a recent FB post re a live recording under Michael Gielen's direction led me to try and search out recordings of the original version (using the score made available in modern times in 1997). I have the Nagano but is that the only recordings of the original (as against the hybrid of the original Waldmärchen and revised Der Spielmann and Hochzeitsstück)? It would appear so.

Strangely, I don't think Abbado's Das Lied von der Erde ever made it to disc, either, though it is in the Digital Concerthall catalogue: https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/c...youtube&c=true

[HighlandDougie]

I'm reposting the following as I'm feeling guilty that BBM might easily have got his "Klagende" and "Knaben" confused so shouldn't be put in the position of being ever so slightly put on the spot. Not that, in the greater scheme of things, any of this matters. The Abbado BPO DLvdE has not - yet - been released by the BPO, although the Symphony No 10 Adagio from the same concert (I think??) has appeared quite recently.

"Alas, BBM, the Klagende Lied in the Universal, "Gustav Mahler: The Complete Edition", is the Chailly recording. I don't think that Abbado ever recorded it. The 'Knaben Wunderhorn' in the box is, though, the Abbado recording so not difficult to confuse the two works".

[bluestateprommer]

Per the comment by John Quinn in the MusicWeb article about:

"I’m unsure if Haitink has conducted it..."

In fact, Uncle Bernie not only recorded it for Philips back in the day (I listened to that recording many years back), but also conducted several live performances with the Concertgebouw Orchestra (albeit without 'Das Waldmärchen'), from a search of the KCO's archive:
(a) 1973: Feb. 12, 14, 15
(b) 1981: Feb. 27 & 28, March 4 (on his birthday) & 5

Other conductors with the KCO who led the work:
1. Mengelberg conducted Das Klagende Lied 7 times in total, in 1906, 1915, and 1920.
2. Rosbaud led two performances in 1961, which also included 'Das Waldmärchen'.
3. Chailly directed performances in 1992 (with 'Das Waldmärchen', the Kerstmatinee [curious choice for Christmas Day]) and in 1995 at the Mahler Feest (no mention of 'Das Waldmärchen', interestingly).

[Petrushka]

Per the comment by John Quinn in the MusicWeb article about:



In fact, Uncle Bernie not only recorded it for Philips back in the day (I listened to that recording many years back), but also conducted several live performances with the Concertgebouw Orchestra (albeit without 'Das Waldmärchen'), from a search of the KCO's archive:
(a) 1973: Feb. 12, 14, 15
(b) 1981: Feb. 27 & 28, March 4 (on his birthday) & 5

Other conductors with the KCO who led the work:
1. Mengelberg conducted Das Klagende Lied 7 times in total, in 1906, 1915, and 1920.
2. Rosbaud led two performances in 1961, which also included 'Das Waldmärchen'.
3. Chailly directed performances in 1992 (with 'Das Waldmärchen', the Kerstmatinee [curious choice for Christmas Day]) and in 1995 at the Mahler Feest (no mention of 'Das Waldmärchen', interestingly).

The Haitink performance given on February 14 1973 is included in the mammoth RCO125 box. Coincidentally, I bought my very first Bernard Haitink LP (Mahler 1) two days later.

[Bryn]

Let's not forget Wyn Morris. He was an early proponent regarding the renewed interest in the work, albeit in the revised version.

[BBMmk2]

Alas, BBM, the Klagende Lied in the Universal, "Gustav Mahler: The Complete Edition", is the Chailly recording. I don't think that Abbado ever recorded it. The 'Knaben Wunderhorn' in the box is, though, the Abbado recording so not difficult to confuse the two works.

How misconceptions can be conceived. I’ll still be looking.

[Lordgeous]

Let's not forget Wyn Morris. He was an early proponent regarding the renewed interest in the work, albeit in the revised version.

Indeed! 'Tis the version I have.