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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    Oh dear

    I was a bit...welll...discombobulated when Tom Serivice popped up on the otherwise very good edition. I'm sure he's a lovely man and knows a lot about music. But his fast, stumbling, stammering delivery puts me off immediately. Did he answer Andrew's first queston about how the Berlin Phil got on with their 'new' conductor Kiril Petrenko? I feel that RR listeners need a little more on the technical side and less of the touchy feely. I'm sure that if Tom's brain slowed down a bit to synch with his speech, things might be better.

    Just a personal observation.
  • Leinster Lass
    Banned
    • Oct 2020
    • 1099

    #2
    Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
    I was a bit...welll...discombobulated when Tom Serivice popped up on the otherwise very good edition. I'm sure he's a lovely man and knows a lot about music. But his fast, stumbling, stammering delivery puts me off immediately. Did he answer Andrew's first queston about how the Berlin Phil got on with their 'new' conductor Kiril Petrenko? I feel that RR listeners need a little more on the technical side and less of the touchy feely. I'm sure that if Tom's brain slowed down a bit to synch with his speech, things might be better.

    Just a personal observation.
    It's not just me, then! I doubt if he'd get a slot on Lyric FM.

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    • Cockney Sparrow
      Full Member
      • Jan 2014
      • 2280

      #3
      A well worn path of criticism on FoR3 threads over the years. I have (sort of) learned to live with it. I presume you turned off? He did refer to K Petrenko not having worked with the orchestra much before they chose him, then I got interrupted but I will listen again as I usually do............
      Last edited by Cockney Sparrow; 07-11-20, 15:11.

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26514

        #4
        Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Post
        It's not just me, then!
        Certainly isn’t. The off switch was deployed at 10.45, having seen in the schedule what was coming up. It certainly pays to be forewarned these days on R3
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • muzzer
          Full Member
          • Nov 2013
          • 1190

          #5
          WQXR New York for me Saturday breakfasts now. The time difference means it’s their equivalent of TTN, and it’s most congenial.

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          • jayne lee wilson
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            #6
            So all those hours in language labs weren't wasted..... .....Tom Service's delivery never bothers me.

            (Any Service-deniers remember HC Robbins Landon talking about Haydn on R3 back in the day?
            You think Service has problems..... my word, there was a challenge to the ear...)

            Sounds an interesting segment, I'll seek it out......
            Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 07-11-20, 15:03.

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            • BBMmk2
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              #7
              I’m never too sure, whether TS puts me off. However, I can keep up with him.
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22110

                #8
                Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                I’m never too sure, whether TS puts me off. However, I can keep up with him.
                I read that in isolation and wondered what teamsaint had done wrong!

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                • Leinster Lass
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2020
                  • 1099

                  #9
                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  I read that in isolation and wondered what teamsaint had done wrong!
                  Anything to do with his messages relating to the success of his soccer team, who (I gather) are doing rather well?

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                  • Quarky
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 2655

                    #10
                    TS is usually at his worst on New Music Show, and last night was no exception. A pity 'cos the music was pretty good.

                    It's a mistake, IMHO, to listen to his soliloquies closely. I prefer to make my own mind up about the music.

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                    • gradus
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5601

                      #11
                      Tom lets his natural enthusiasm run away, he does know his stuff but he just needs to slow down, he can do it as is shown by The Listening Service which has generally been interesting and informative eg the recent one on Vibrato.

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                      • Cockney Sparrow
                        Full Member
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 2280

                        #12
                        In his segment about the Berlin PO BlueRay/CD issue of Kirill Petrenko recordings Tom Service let himself run away with the purple prose - "incandescant" - at least four times, he even went so far to use "consecrated". He said he was running out of adjectives "so let's just listen to the music". However, by the time his contribution started again he'd got his second wind and found yet more superlatives.......

                        I got it - they do sound like very good recordings /performances. I might just buy them. TS was way over the top. I turn the volume down on TV presentations of his but I'm prepared to listen and put up with this when he is conveying useful information. But his enthusiasm really isn't infectious - in my case at least.

                        Early on he referred to an incandescant performance of Elgar 2 by Petrenko. I checked that out in the free period on the Digital Concert Hall in the spring. It was of course a completely assured performance but it lacked a sense of engagement or grappling with the meaning of the piece (or whatever performance in the (mostly) British performing tradition brings to performance - whatever it is). When I'm confident I'll have a good dose of free time, I'll take out a month's subscription to the Concert Hall and see if I was in the wrong frame of mind about the Elgar, and look up some of the other performances. I'm not sure I would watch enough and often enough for a yearly subscription.
                        Last edited by Cockney Sparrow; 09-11-20, 00:52. Reason: Major Boo Boo, corrected To Petrenko.

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                        • HighlandDougie
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3079

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                          In his segment about the Berlin PO BlueRay/CD issue of Kirill Karabits recordings Tom Service let himself run away with the purple prose - "incandescant" - at least four times, he even went so far to use "consecrated". He said he was running out of adjectives "so let's just listen to the music". However, by the time his contribution started again he'd got his second wind and found yet more superlatives.......

                          I got it - they do sound like very good recordings /performances. I might just buy them. TS was way over the top. I turn the volume down on TV presentations of his but I'm prepared to listen and put up with this when he is conveying useful information. But his enthusiasm really isn't infectious - in my case at least.

                          Early on he referred to an incandescant performance of Elgar 2 by Karabits. I checked that out in the free period on the Digital Concert Hall in the spring. It was of course a completely assured performance but it lacked a sense of engagement or grappling with the meaning of the piece (or whatever performance in the (mostly) British performing tradition brings to performance - whatever it is). When I'm confident I'll have a good dose of free time, I'll take out a month's subscription to the Concert Hall and see if I was in the wrong frame of mind about the Elgar, and look up some of the other performances. I'm not sure I would watch enough and often enough for a yearly subscription.
                          I got quite excited about the idea of Kirill Karabits and the BPO - he's a consistently interesting conductor - but then I began to wonder if it was a case of too many Kirills. I didn't listen to Tom Service but I suspect that it might have been Kirill Petrenko, although I would be delighted to be wrong and discover that KK and the BPO have released a new disc.

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                          • Eine Alpensinfonie
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20568

                            #14
                            I do like to give the man chance, but this broadcast was exceptionally annoying.

                            His ramblings remind me of those posts on Facebook where the writer is too lazy to capitalise, punctuate or use proper sentences. I invariably ignore them.

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                            • Barbirollians
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11661

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                              I do like to give the man chance, but this broadcast was exceptionally annoying.

                              His ramblings remind me of those posts on Facebook where the writer is too lazy to capitalise, punctuate or use proper sentences. I invariably ignore them.
                              It is a shame as I think he writes well about music but when he opens his mouth it runs away with him and the gushing becomes exhausting.

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