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VPO Brahms Cycles
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostI have some of the earlier recordings with Janowski and the RLPO - but I assume that the Pentatone recordings surpass the earlier ASV issues and are worth looking out for.
A few years ago I would have put Levine quite high on my list, and I particularly like some of his earlier recordings. Unfortunately my list is now tempered by other non-musical aspects, which are a consideration for some of my other recordings on my favourites lists. Doesn't alter the quality of the music making though, but makes me think each time I hear or see performances by these people.
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Originally posted by richardfinegold View PostSorry...I didn’t mention that this link differs significantly from the Amazon U.S. offerings...
My current favorite Brahms cycle is Paavo Jaarvi/Bremen, on a Blu Ray. Tempos are brisk with a good pulse maintained, singing lines, and transparent textures. My longstanding favorite cycle of a more traditional approach is Sanderling/Dresden. Cycles that I have lost some affection for are Klemperer, which now seems stiff and massive, and Andrew Manze, whose virtues have been equalled and surpassed by Jaarvi. I also have cycles be Levine (Chicago) and Szell, and the rest my Brahms are individual recordings. I also have Furtwangler.
Still trying to figure out if I am able, or if it is safe, to go to work this morning...
Forgot to mention Janowski/Pittsburgh on Pentatone, which is really superb and an excellent multichannel recording
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostI assume that's the shipping cost, not the item cost. That would bring the cost of getting it to the UK around £26-30 in total. Is it worth buying more from Japan in order to reduce the proportion of shipping cost, or does that would put up the import charges too much making the per item cost even more? I have bought from Japan on one occasion, but I wouldn't make a habit of it.VAT, duty and customs declarations for goods received by post or courier - paying, collecting your goods, getting a refund and documents.
I guess the fun went out of ordering Japanese CDs a few years ago... more consistent charges, the explosion of choice beyond Toshiba Remasters and Pony HDCDS into HQCD, SHMCD, BLUspec CD, and then the SACD editions..... too much to get your head around, sometimes....
With a good DAC or disc-player you can use filters etc. to shape & shade the sound as you wish, so...
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Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostWith a good DAC or disc-player you can use filters etc. to shape & shade the sound as you wish, so...
You could also feed the outputs through a mixing desk - either hardware or software, and drive multiple outputs.
I doubt that many people have the time, knowledge and perseverance to do that. Easier to just put on the best disc you can, or if you do downloads, use the best one which you like, and enjoy the music.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostIf you're really desperate you can feed the audio into a DAW and process it - though it's impossible to remove reverberation, but quite easy to add it in, and if there are significant losses in the high or low registers, those can't be compensated for.
You could also feed the outputs through a mixing desk - either hardware or software, and drive multiple outputs.
I doubt that many people have the time, knowledge and perseverance to do that. Easier to just put on the best disc you can, or if you do downloads, use the best one which you like, and enjoy the music.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostIf you're really desperate you can feed the audio into a DAW and process it - though it's impossible to remove reverberation, but quite easy to add it in, and if there are significant losses in the high or low registers, those can't be compensated for.
You could also feed the outputs through a mixing desk - either hardware or software, and drive multiple outputs.
I doubt that many people have the time, knowledge and perseverance to do that. Easier to just put on the best disc you can, or if you do downloads, use the best one which you like, and enjoy the music.
(That's why even "the best discs" will sound displeasing to someone, somewhere...)
The filtering etc involves musically influential matters of resolution, timing, space & depth, image precision, subtle frequency response adjusts etc... sheer immediacy and realism really, but at a deep level - and responded to more often on a subliminal level - unless you look into it..
Of course its not for everyone....what is? But I became frustrated years ago, trying some 5-star review item and finding it less than pleasing to my ears, and needed to discover why....Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 02-06-20, 13:32.
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Originally posted by vinteuil View Post.
... an easier solution might be to use the ferneyhoughgeliebte (of blessed memory) option - buy a decent score, and read the music.
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But it can be useful to check a detail in the score afterward of course.
Sorry everyone, for going a bit offtopic here....
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Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostEvery digital replay component you can audition, home-trial or buy, will have made filter/OS/US choices for you, even if no choice is offered; which are more subtle and musically far-reaching than any graphic equaliser type add/subtract reverb/nightclun/stadium etc measures.
They involve musically influential matters of resolution, space & depth, image precision, subtle frequency response adjusts etc... sheer immediacy and realism really, but at a deep level.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostWhat makes you think that kit like that isn't actually used during the making and distribution of the discs or downloads? Often it is.
But as for the Vienna Phil, I wish they still sounded like they do here.....
Listen to unlimited or download Beethoven: Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 2 by Wilhelm Backhaus in Hi-Res quality on Qobuz. Subscription from £10.83/month.
...remarkably light, agile pianism too...
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Perhaps the worst thing that happened to the VPO was the steady move away from Decca. The orchestra was under exclusive contract with Decca and a constant stream of fine recordings came from this partnership during the 1950s, '60s and '70s. But once DG got in on the act, their recorded sound was detrimental to the unique Vienna Philharmonic qualities, making their playing sound thick and muddy. In the case of Brahms symphonies, the Bernstein DG recordings are actually rather better, possibly because these were not recorded in the Musikverein, a venue that DG has never seemed to get quite right.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostPerhaps the worst thing that happened to the VPO was the steady move away from Decca. The orchestra was under exclusive contract with Decca and a constant stream of fine recordings came from this partnership during the 1950s, '60s and '70s. But once DG got in on the act, their recorded sound was detrimental to the unique Vienna Philharmonic qualities, making their playing sound thick and muddy. In the case of Brahms symphonies, the Bernstein DG recordings are actually rather better, possibly because these were not recorded in the Musikverein, a venue that DG has never seemed to get quite right.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostPerhaps the worst thing that happened to the VPO was the steady move away from Decca. The orchestra was under exclusive contract with Decca and a constant stream of fine recordings came from this partnership during the 1950s, '60s and '70s. But once DG got in on the act, their recorded sound was detrimental to the unique Vienna Philharmonic qualities, making their playing sound thick and muddy. In the case of Brahms symphonies, the Bernstein DG recordings are actually rather better, possibly because these were not recorded in the Musikverein, a venue that DG has never seemed to get quite right.
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